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New Archbishop of Westminster Vincent Nichols Attacks Secularists

Jonathan Wynne-Jones
Posted: May 21, 2009.

Print: Telegraph

New Archbishop attacks secularists

In his installation service as the new leader of Catholics in England and Wales, the Most Rev Vincent Nichols called for a greater respect of religious belief.

He said that attempts to marginalise faith must not be allowed to succeed if the country is to overcome its problems of social cohesion.

Secularists, such as Richard Dawkins, who try to rubbish religion are encouraging intolerance, the archbishop told a congregation of 2,000 at Westminster Cathedral.

“Faith is never a solitary activity nor can it be simply private,” he said.

“Some today propose that faith and reason are crudely opposed, with the fervour of faith replacing good reason. This reduction of both faith and reason inhibits not only our search for truth but also the possibility of real dialogue.”

Prof Dawkins has described Christian theology as vacuous and argued that faith and superstition are incompatible with the rigours of “logic, observation and evidence, through reason”.

In a Channel 4 programme, the Enemies of Reason, he said: “Today reason has a battle on its hands. Reason and a respect for evidence are the source of our progress, our safeguard against fundamentalists and those who profit from obscuring the truth.

“We live in dangerous times when superstition is gaining ground and rational science is under attack.”

Archbishop Nichols countered that those who portray faith “as a narrowing of the human mind or spirit” are wrong.

He urged that there should be “respectful dialogue” and that this needs to go “beyond the superficial and slogans”.

“Let us be a society in which we genuinely listen to each other, in which sincere disagreement is not made out to be insult or harassment, in which reasoned principles are not construed as prejudice and in which we are prepared to attribute to each other the best and not the worst of motives.”

The archbishop played a leading role in fighting the introduction of gay rights laws in 2006, which now make it illegal to discriminate against gay couples when placing children for adoption.

His intervention was one of a series of battles fought by church leaders over religious freedoms in Britain and against what they perceive as the advancing tide of secularism.

Archbishop Nichols claimed that the country would benefit from maintaining faith at the centre of public life, adding that it would help build a more cohesive society.

“As a society, if we are to build on this gift of faith, we must respect its outward expression not only in honouring individual conscience but also in respecting the institutional integrity of the communities of faith in what they bring to public service and to the common good.

“Only in this way will individuals, families and faith communities become wholehearted contributors to building the society we rightly seek.”

He said “a community of faith reaches beyond ethnicity, cultural difference and social division”.

Politicians, royals and church leaders attended the service, which saw Archbishop Vincent Nichols succeed Cardinal Cormac Murphy O’Connor as the 11th Archbishop of Westminster.

Dr Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, said relations between the Anglican and Roman Catholic churches had become “closer and warmer”.

“The fact the archbishops have been able to meet is a welcome development, and a sign that we all recognise common challenges and the need to play and act together.”

Earlier, the new Archbishop risked controversy on his first day in office when he said a report exposing decades of systematic child abuse by Catholic priests and nuns in Ireland would “overshadow” the good they had done.

He said it took “courage” for Catholic church members who abused children to face up to their actions.

Michele Elliott, chief executive of the charity Kidscape, said: “It is ludicrous. It should be a straightforward mea culpa.

“It is a moral stance, and he should say that it is all about the children and the rest of them be damned. There are no excuses for religious orders.”

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Comments (13)

1. John Wilkinson

Infuriating! ahhhh. surreal world we live in.

posted on May 22, 2009
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2. Dale Christopher

Urging “respectful dialogue,” is he?  At least he thinks he’s ready to talk, which is more than I can say for all the fundamentalists I’ve ever known.  That has to be a step in the right direction, anyway.  It’s about time that the religious are the ones who feel like talking is the best option.

posted on May 22, 2009
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Perhaps if mr nichols could get his priests to stop raping children , he might be taken notice of ,until then mr nichols,kindly STFU.  : )

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He said it took “courage” for Catholic church members who abused children to face up to their actions.

Well, not too many courageous catholics out there then ,is there?
I agree, John Wilkinson, truly surreal the world of the clergy.

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It takes “courage” for child molesters to stand up for their perversions?  Yeah, really, the victims should be much more respectful of the child molesters before exposing them, so as to not put them out there before they’re ‘ready’ to take the charge. Why do they never think about the well-being of the poor, poor offenders?

Seriously, is Rowan Williams completely off his rocker now?

posted on May 23, 2009
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2009, Telegraph:
New Archbishop of Westminster Vincent Nichols attacks secularists

1209, The Holy Scroll:
“Atheism Is The Greatest Evil In The World,” Says Bishop Plunging Fire Poker Into Atheist’s Stomache.

(NY POST version: Bish Bops Godless Goons)

posted on May 23, 2009
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Dialogue? There can be no dialogue with Faith People. They believe without evidence. We demand evidence before belief. Where can there be dialogue? In Sam Harris’ memorable words - “The Catholic Church has bred an elite corps of paedophiles!” Would any of us want to dialogue with that lot?  We leave the past behind! We shudder to think we actually were associated with them in our youth. Now we are free of them - we are certainly not going to dialogue with them.  But it is cheering that Nicholls reserved his fire for Secularists, especially Dawkins. He can see the future!!!

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I had hoped for a little bit of sanity from the new leader. So sad that one is always disappointed.
What world do they live in?

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“Faith is never a solitary activity nor can it be simply private,”
That is exactly what it should be. If you think you have the answers for no demonstrable reasons, then you need to go into your corner and keep your mouth cosed.

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“Some people want to believe, some people want to know” . F. Nietzsche.  It is much better to know and staying humble in front of the big mystery of the universe knowing that what “you know” could be surpassed by new knowledge. About faith?“A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything. “
Friedrich Nietzsche

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It is quite surprising to read the comments of a senior Roman Catholic priest asking for a greater respect of religious belief. Now that really interested me as the very origins of Roman Catholic faith are based on nothing more than roman Greek and pagan overlays. These eminent custodians of faith are well aware of the way that Catholicism has evolved from questionable origins to the highly ritualistic and superstitious order that is today. Everything about Christianity when scrutinised throws up contradictions which are unable to provide any foundation for the search of truth.
As a rule Roman Catholics do not enter into any discussions on their religion as they are frightened stiff that eternal persecution will result in the afterlife. This absurd belief in the punishment of hell aims to completely stifle any dissent. Speak to any Irish or Italian catholic on theological disbelief and you will find out. All religious leaders know well that their belief systems are weak and completely lacking in any evidence. They are becoming very nervous of being undone and beg for respect of their faith. The arguments for people who don’t believe need not be derisory and from the greatest of our scientific proof seekers we get reason, proof and simple common sense explanations. Scientists and honest intellectuals do not ask for faith.

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Basicly The priest want more recpect for religion and wants people to stop critisizing the church….........
I just wanna say: to follow a religion blindly meaning never asking questions, is one of the most destroctive things a person can do to one self. It disrupts and causes unnessary division of people witch can lead to .....Problems for the world and the advancement of the human race.

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The respect the bishop seeks has to begin with Honesty. Intellectual Honesty. And that kind of honesty is not compatible with the claims in the text he relies on as the foundation of Catholic Faith. The Catholic Church’s record in terms of human rights doesn’t do much to entice me to respect it either. These guys are so out of touch, it is unreal. It is encouraging that the church knows its hold is weakening and crumbling.

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