This would be easier to take if it weren’t from NG’s long history of hypocrisy and moral double-talk.

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Actually, I think a long history of hypocrisy and moral double-talk is quite appropriate for someone converting to Catholicism.

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Newt is a Catholic now? But what if he has another affair while his wife is sick and he wants to divorce her?

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That would be an ecumenical matter

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After reading so much Reason Project, Why Evolution Is True, Pharnygula and all the rest, doesn’t it strike you guys as pretty funny that people still ‘convert’ from one religion to another? Convert from what? Its like renaming your imaginary friend Ted instead of Sam.

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Yes, it’s really funny… he probably also thinks it rains because God’s crying.

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To Rbt Elessar, anti-Catholics and so-called atheists.  Please submit a ceditable explanation for the events that occurred in Fatima, Portugal on Oct. 13, 1917 in which three peasant children led a crowd of thousands, to witness a spectacular occurrence at the exact hour of day that was predicted earlier in that year so that all would believe.  Thank you.

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Steve Leone “To Rbt Elessar, anti-Catholics and so-called atheists.  Please submit a ceditable explanation for the events that occurred in Fatima, Portugal on Oct. 13, 1917 in which three peasant children led a crowd of thousands, to witness a spectacular occurrence at the exact hour of day that was predicted earlier in that year so that all would believe.  Thank you.”

The way this question is phrased implies that you need to be proven wrong, when the reverse is true. When making a point the burden of proof lies with you.

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I guess Newt figured it worked for Constantine, he might as well give it a try too!  The guy is so morally bankrupt and hypocritical….this is why I joined the Reason Project and tell my friends about it.

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To Tat 10000
  You need to acquaint yourself with the facts of the Fatima events.  One doesn’t need to prove that WW1 occurred.  These are well documented. historical facts.

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To Steve Leone

I just spent a few minutes at fatima.org

Perhaps you could now spend a few minutes reading David Hume

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To loon8
No events were presented in Fatima.org. Please google Fatima Miracle for the complete story. It will take more than just a few minutes. I will look into your David Hume(?) reference.

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To loon8
Perhaps you can relate what David Hume, 1711-76, a Scottish historian,economist and philosopher would have to say about an event to occur some 140 years after he died.  He seems to have been a very much admired thinker.

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To Steve Leone,

I did read Fatima and I know WW1 occurred. But they are not one in the same. Your logic is false. Just because the war happened doesn’t mean the what happened in Portugal was a miracle. That’s quite a leap of logic.
Maybe there was some sort of weather phenomenon or something else that can be logically explained. I can’t say as there is not enough factual information for me to judge one way or the other.
What I can say from what I read is that you can’t say for sure either, that is why I asked to prove your point instead of trying to get others to prove you wrong.

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To Tat10000
I was saying that documented historical events need no proof.  Wether wars or floods etc.  You are saying some sort of weather phenomenon or whatever can logically be explained.  I am happy that you agree that a phenomenom did occur, now my question is how did 3 peasant children know when this phenomenon was going to happen?  That in and of itself maybe the “miracle”.  Afterall these 3 little astronomers had no computers.

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To Steve Leone
It isn’t a documented historical event. There isn’t any proof or reliable testimony that I can find.  The old “prove me wrong” logical fallacy seems to be one of the favorites among religious persons.
So here’s how someone versed in reason would approach the situation. If you think the Virgin Mary came down from the sky in a dancing sun that day, then prove it. You prove that it was a miracle. It’s not our burden to prove that it wasn’t, that’s preposterous. Prove that what happened that day actually happened, and that it was a religious miracle. I don’t have to prove anything. So I repeat what everyone else has said, yet you’ve failed to understand: the burden of proof is on you, sir.

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To cmortell
              Reporters from the Lisbon newspapers witnessed and reported the phenomenon of that day.  In my mind their reports make this a documented historical account.unless of course nothing happened that day and they wanted to promote sales of their paper.  These accounts were also written up in newspapers all over the world.  In order to proceed further, it must be agreed that an unnatural physical event occurred that day in Fatima from all reports of witnesses and objective, if not an-anti-clerical reporters, among others,  such as Doctors,  Agnostics,  Atheists,  etc. The crowd of many thousands surely was composed of all types of people.  Now if this does not settle the question with you that a large crowd gathered and a phenomenal event occurred for them,  we really cannot go any further in this matter.                What do you believe happened that day for the large crowd of people gathered there on that field?

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To cmortell
        You have assumed the following:
1) that I am a religious person
2) that I believe the Virgin Mary came down with the dancing sun.
  3) that I called it a religious miracle

      I will assume the following:
  1) that you have not read the testimony and full accounts of this event
  2) that you will not render a creditable response to my question.
  3) that you even want proof that a crowd of thousands were present on that day.

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Catholics and government have been bed fellows for thousands of years. It’s a good credential if you want a career in politics. The catholic church is the poster child of all republicans.

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Wow I have not heard that one before.  Maybe it’s because it took 200 years for a Catholic to be elected President.

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So you all know, this Steve Leone character is a troll that uses the same asinine bait (the Fatima thing) in every forum he can get on. He’s equally adept at sock puppetry and I suspect he’s got a advanced degree in douchebaggery.

Ignore him for a while, then ignore his sock puppet and then he’ll move on to annoy other people elsewhere.

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Bob
    You are like Adam falsely accusing me of being a Troll.  Maybe you are a Sock Puppet for Adam.  This blog conducted by Brian has not had this issue and all has gone on with some reasonable people with no censorship etc. You are mudding the waters from a blog that has been closed and I am attempting to have it removed.  This entire problem comes from IP #s which are known to be spoofed very easily.  I am trying to show that I am not the Troll and until you can show otherwise please refrain from libeling and defaming my good name which Adam has done. 
After 2 weeks you have not commented on my last comment but are trying to introduce a closed blog elsewhere to continue here.  I have no idea what a sock puppet is let alone how to disprove it. Do You??

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Correction   the name Brian should be changed to Amy in the above comment 22.

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