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Posted: 19 June 2012 08:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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MrRon - 18 June 2012 02:53 PM

As an atheist, if you were “negatively influencing” her, you wouldn’t influence her into going to another church - you’d influence her to stop going to church, period! Maybe that’s a point that would count for something. Maybe. Good luck.

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That’s right. Claim neutrality, plead the fifth.

Brad, what did you mean by “switch churches”? Denominations (beliefs/dogma)? Physical buildings for the same denomination? What’s your wife’s story for her reasoning/decision? Did she credit you as her influence ... or God?

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Posted: 19 June 2012 03:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Die fröhliche Wissenschaft (Rob) - 18 June 2012 11:04 PM

Why do you have to explain anything? It’s not you who has changed. Let your wife explain it to her mother. She’s the christian and the one who changed churches. If she herself can’t explain to her mother why she did that then it’s unlikely you’ll be able to. I’d be staying right out of it and staying away from your MIL. Since she is not your landlady or your boss I don’t see that she can do much except try to interfere in your marriage by turning her daughter against you. And if she succeeds in that then, frankly, um…let me try to say this gently…maybe there’s a problem on your wife’s part and maybe you need to have things out with her; maybe give her some sort of ultimatum. Something like “Honey, I married you not your mother. If you feel you need to choose between us then go ahead”. If the relationship is strong, if you love each other, your marriage will come first for her.

This is precisely why I tell straight men that we all need at least 1 gay friend. I mean, I’m sure that I “get” women, but I can’t balance empathy with assertiveness. Aggression always winds up winning, and the eventuality is me saying, “blow me or shut up.” It turns out that doesn’t work so well.

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Posted: 20 June 2012 05:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Worth noting that this is the daughter…I realize I’m almost certainly projecting, but there is often a double-standard. My parents are pretty religious, and my Mom actually worked as a lay minister as a ‘second career’ for a few years after retirement. She still does funerals from time to time.

My parents—especially my Mom—are pretty pushy with my sister and her kids. Mom harps on my sister a lot about regular church attendence; my sister does belong to a church and for awhile she was even farily involved. Lately less so, and they don’t go every week. She is a believer, however—her kids are baptised and confirmed, they went to Sunday school, the youngest went to a church day care, and just a couple of weeks ago she got remarried in a church ceremony (a very simple one, but in her church with her minister all the same).

That’s apparently not good enough for our Mom, who gets pretty nosy about my sister’s church activities; I guess last Christmas she got fed up with how rambunctuous my nephews were being, so she announced that it time for a story and “I’m reading to them from THE BIBLE.” Didn’t ask, didn’t explain, just told my sister that she was going to take her kids aside and read from the Gospels. My sister, who doesn’t have strong feelings on the matter (she is a believer, after all) and who probably was more than happy to let Grandma take over for a little while, didn’t object. I’ll bet if she had, there would have been conflict.

I cannot imagine my Mom trying that crap with us, even though she knows we’re not churchgoers at all and probably has a pretty good idea that none of us are believers. Admittedly, my sister has always been closer to them than I, so gender isn’t the only explanation here by far, but I can’t help but think that the fact that she’s their daughter (and, for two years after the divorce, a single mother with no “man in the house”) played into the dynamic.

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Posted: 23 June 2012 03:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Wow!

Do you plan on raising children with your wife? That’s when the real issues in an atheist-theist relationship get going, and then add the mother-in-law. Wow.

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