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Hannah: I don’t imagine that most lesbians (or gay men) have perfect relationships, nor that heterosexuality is necessarily humiliating. Depends on the particulars of the couple.
Does the grass seem greener on the other side?
I am simply projecting. I have great women friends and if I could just have sex with them, I’d be thrilled. We don’t yell at each other when we get lost or roll our eyes when asked to watch a movie starring Glenn Close. Which reminds me…what is it about farts that delight men so much?
Rob: Anyone whostill peddles the lie that people choose to be gay should reflect on that.
I tried very hard to be gay, but it didn’t work. I imagined sipping tea and having long conversations into the night about our feelings. We’d cook together and laugh merrily as we chopped the onions in unison. We’d hold hands and watch sunsets and we’d collect lots of cats. .
But, sigh, ....I couldn’t overcome the “ugh” factor You, of all people, should know what I mean. The nether region of women IS ugly, is it not?
My best friend who is gay claims it’s “sweet” and is charmed by its neat folds that open up like the petals of a flower.
I wonder if this is what Gertrude Stein meant when she wrote “A rose is a rose.”?
I recently read what Gertrude said about Alice…”“How prettily we swim together.Not in water. Not on land. But in love.”
Now, in our life together, my husband and I have nearly drowned each other more than once.
Damn. It would just be so cool to be a lesbian.
“Rosebud….” Orson Wells had found out some inside information about William Randolph Hearst and used in his movie….
Die fröhliche Wissenschaft (Rob) - 17 June 2012 12:31 PM
SARALYNN: I couldn’t overcome the “ugh” factor
Yes, I know what you mean Sara. When I have lesbian friends over I try not to think about what they do in bed. And if it comes up over dessert I go to the kitchen and start doing the dishes.
The great thing, though, is that their sexuality and what they do in bed is the least important thing about them and does not interfere with our friendship.
Or as a friend of mine once said about gay guys: “I don’t give a damn what they do, just no visuals please.”
Do you think that is unusual? I thought it was a universal thing….not sex, but imagining how everyone you know looks like when they are having sex. Actually, I imagine strangers, too. And famous people. Obama & Michelle, Hillary & Bill, Ozzie and Sharon. Even Ozzie and Harriet. In fact, I even imagine what I look like having sex, but not during it because then it would wreck my concentration. I’ve never understood why some people are attracted to watching themselves having sex in mirrors. I would not only get distracted, but I’d start fretting about my appearance. I would have to hold my stomach in and toss my hair fetchingly and point my toes to show off my shapely legs.
I tell ya, it’s best to close your eyes. My mom used to tell me to close my eyes and think of England, but I don’t find that necessary. Different generations I guess.
Plus the Queen gets enough cathected attention as it is.
I am simply projecting. I have great women friends and if I could just have sex with them, I’d be thrilled. We don’t yell at each other when we get lost or roll our eyes when asked to watch a movie starring Glenn Close. Which reminds me…what is it about farts that delight men so much?
You definitely need to see The Kids are All Right.
Comic relief, Sara, guys are good for comic relief. We women take ourselves much too seriously. (Though you make me laugh a lot too.) Like today my hub and I were listening to an outdoor concert, and the orchestra played the Blue Danube waltz. I’m swaying in my fantasy of wearing a ball gown and spinning across a dance floor led by a partner wearing a military uniform with white gloves. My husband leans over and says, “Remember this song in the movie 2001 when the 2 spaceships were docking?”
As sad as Alan Turning’s story is, as an American I have difficulty getting excited about it. Don’t take this the wrong way, Rob and Martin, since I agree completely it is tragic, but to me the steady tragedy of the outright denial of Constitutional rights, or in the case of Americans haplessly having a Japanese surname during WW II, revocation of constitutional rights without due process, has made me compassion fatigued. The US has a written, legal document specifically designed to protect citizens from the “tyranny of the majority” and yet the document is routinely ignored in favor of tradition or social convention. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the UK doesn’t have a Bill or Rights to ignore to make the injustice that much worse, so Turing’s case is a matter of “making it up as we go,” which, by definition, is nearly impossible to defend against.
It seems to me that for any US citizen of a certain color, ancestry, sex, or any other immutable characteristic to be forced to go to the Supreme Court to remind us that the 14th Amendment of the Constitution guaranteeing equal protection of the law for the benefit of all citizens is a height of cynicism.
BTW, there has been a long standing debate in Australia about whether we should have a bill of rights. I’m not sure it would be a good thing or make any real difference. As it is now we let tht Hign Court (equivalent to your SC) interpret the Australian Constitution from which rights are inferred. It seems even with an explicit bill of rights you guys still end up having to go to the SC to have it interpreted and/or enforced.
As sad as Alan Turning’s story is, as an American I have difficulty getting excited about it. Don’t take this the wrong way, Rob and Martin, since I agree completely it is tragic, but to me the steady tragedy of the outright denial of Constitutional rights, or in the case of Americans haplessly having a Japanese surname during WW II, revocation of constitutional rights without due process, has made me compassion fatigued. The US has a written, legal document specifically designed to protect citizens from the “tyranny of the majority” and yet the document is routinely ignored in favor of tradition or social convention. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the UK doesn’t have a Bill or Rights to ignore to make the injustice that much worse, so Turing’s case is a matter of “making it up as we go,” which, by definition, is nearly impossible to defend against.
It seems to me that for any US citizen of a certain color, ancestry, sex, or any other immutable characteristic to be forced to go to the Supreme Court to remind us that the 14th Amendment of the Constitution guaranteeing equal protection of the law for the benefit of all citizens is a height of cynicism.
Injustice comes in many forms Skipper, I suppose remembering cases like Turings gives us a focus, also the choice of incarceration or physical transformation into something nearly asexual is especially harsh.
The UK doesn’t have a bill of rights, it has The Human Rights Act 1998 which incorporates the European convention of human rights into UK law. We also have that really important document….The Magna Carta, the 1297 version, “The Great Charter of the Liberties of England, and of the Liberties of the Forest,” still remains on the statute books of England and Wales today.
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