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Posted: 06 March 2012 12:12 PM   [ Ignore ]
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I’m curious to get some consensus on how people define intelligence. I don’t have a terribly strong grasp on this but my guess would be something like:

1. Elemental definition- 
The capacity to adapt.

2. Definitions in some detail- 
Success rate of prediction.
Ability to represent hypothetical future events in the creative imagination.
Discernment between differently applicable habits of pattern recognition.
Retention, replication and transmission of instruction.

Any additions or corrections appreciated.

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Posted: 06 March 2012 04:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Brick Bungalow - 06 March 2012 12:12 PM

I’m curious to get some consensus on how people define intelligence. I don’t have a terribly strong grasp on this but my guess would be something like:

1. Elemental definition- 
The capacity to adapt.

2. Definitions in some detail- 
Success rate of prediction.
Ability to represent hypothetical future events in the creative imagination.
Discernment between differently applicable habits of pattern recognition.
Retention, replication and transmission of instruction.

Any additions or corrections appreciated.

Measured problem solving skills in a specified period of time.  See WAIS et al.

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Posted: 06 March 2012 06:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Who is more intelligent:

A brilliant scientist who spends his free-time watching kiddie porn, or a garbage man who spends his free-time enjoying the company of a loving family?

Problem-solving intelligence is but one form of intelligence, and, not the highest form.

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Posted: 06 March 2012 07:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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TheBrotherMario - 06 March 2012 06:39 PM

Who is more intelligent:

A brilliant scientist who spends his free-time watching kiddie porn, or a garbage man who spends his free-time enjoying the company of a loving family?

Problem-solving intelligence is but one form of intelligence, and, not the highest form.

Go fuck yourself, and then have any product aborted.

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Posted: 06 March 2012 08:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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TheBrotherMario - 06 March 2012 06:39 PM

Who is more intelligent:

A brilliant scientist who spends his free-time watching kiddie porn, or a garbage man who spends his free-time enjoying the company of a loving family?

Problem-solving intelligence is but one form of intelligence, and, not the highest form.

the scientist. in the model of your argument your substituting happiness and love for intelligence. the model has to be based off of the term intelligence.

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Posted: 06 March 2012 08:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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TheBrotherMario - 06 March 2012 06:39 PM

Who is more intelligent:

A brilliant scientist who spends his free-time watching kiddie porn, or a garbage man who spends his free-time enjoying the company of a loving family?

Problem-solving intelligence is but one form of intelligence, and, not the highest form.

the ability to comprehend complexity and solve problems within areas of complexity is the basis for defining intelligence.
-the level of complexity is the measurment

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Posted: 06 March 2012 08:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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DanielMoore1991 - 06 March 2012 08:16 PM

the ability to comprehend complexity and solve problems within areas of complexity is the basis for defining intelligence.
-the level of complexity is the measurment

I see processing speed as being the main factor of intelligence, because high-speed processing allows allows a person to see all the angles, so to speak, of a complex problem or situation. People who lack processing speed automatically lack ability/tendency to maintain many things in ordered arrangement in their heads for enough time to allow them to arrive at either full (or at least partial) understanding or problem solving. I think this is what Dennis is getting at.

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Posted: 06 March 2012 08:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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nv - 06 March 2012 08:41 PM
DanielMoore1991 - 06 March 2012 08:16 PM

the ability to comprehend complexity and solve problems within areas of complexity is the basis for defining intelligence.
-the level of complexity is the measurment

I see processing speed as being the main factor of intelligence, because high-speed processing allows allows a person to see all the angles, so to speak, of a complex problem or situation. People who lack processing speed automatically lack ability/tendency to maintain many things in ordered arrangement in their heads for enough time to allow them to arrive at either full (or at least partial) understanding or problem solving. I think this is what Dennis is getting at.

Oh. Hm. Well if you are processing you are comprehending. If one is a fast processor one learns quickly. If one learns slowly one has trouble comprehending. So I feel as if the concepts are synonymous. But, ya, I agree.

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Posted: 06 March 2012 08:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Dennis Campbell - 06 March 2012 07:56 PM
TheBrotherMario - 06 March 2012 06:39 PM

Who is more intelligent:

A brilliant scientist who spends his free-time watching kiddie porn, or a garbage man who spends his free-time enjoying the company of a loving family?

Problem-solving intelligence is but one form of intelligence, and, not the highest form.

Go fuck yourself, and then have any product aborted.

That sounds pretty intelligent to me.

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Posted: 06 March 2012 10:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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We live in a world with where billions of species have come and gone. In all of them, only one has risen to ask that very question. Maybe the hunger to know the answer to that question itself, could be a marker. The moment the atoms of the universe can actually contemplate there own origins. Through our own eyes, the universe sees itself. Does that alone quantify intelligence? Are footprints on the moon. or the ability to split atoms the proof we need? Is one man intelligent, or do we need a collective of humanity to represent it? Maybe intelligent life has yet to take hold on this speck we call home. Maybe some form that understands how important life is, and acts accordingly in every way possible, collectively. Some being that would not rest until every hungry mouth was fed. Some creature that could not fathom the mentality of war or any other form of violence to ingratiate its own ends.  A life form that grew with a solid understanding of its symbiotic nature well understood, at some point, and acted fervently to to those ends, in relation to its surroundings and fellow life. Our own egos tell us we are intelligent and we have faith in that fact. We sometimes hope to reach out and find, other, intelligent life.  I submit, we have yet to find it here.

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Posted: 06 March 2012 10:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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DanielMoore1991 - 06 March 2012 08:50 PM
nv - 06 March 2012 08:41 PM
DanielMoore1991 - 06 March 2012 08:16 PM

the ability to comprehend complexity and solve problems within areas of complexity is the basis for defining intelligence.
-the level of complexity is the measurment

I see processing speed as being the main factor of intelligence, because high-speed processing allows allows a person to see all the angles, so to speak, of a complex problem or situation. People who lack processing speed automatically lack ability/tendency to maintain many things in ordered arrangement in their heads for enough time to allow them to arrive at either full (or at least partial) understanding or problem solving. I think this is what Dennis is getting at.

Oh. Hm. Well if you are processing you are comprehending. If one is a fast processor one learns quickly. If one learns slowly one has trouble comprehending. So I feel as if the concepts are synonymous. But, ya, I agree.

I wasn’t disagreeing with you at all, Daniel. Just trying to get to the next-lower level of your description.

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Posted: 06 March 2012 10:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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I guess I’m trying to establish a necessary connection between the affective or passionate faculties. Simply measuring the ability to calculate feels incomplete. ‘Human’ intelligence, I feel, needs to somehow encompass moral reason, conversational intelligence, empathy and similar attributes. Some method for qualitative evaluation.

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Posted: 06 March 2012 11:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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I think intelligence is something like a sphere where the core is comprehending complexity and solving problems on matters of complexity. this core embodies attributes like imagination, logical skills, determination. yet beyond the core and the outer most layer of the core is the understanding and ability to create the state of well being (which i think brother mario was trying to state… but his agression created lack of clarity) and this second part and out layer of the sphere embodies concepts of morality, abilities to create happiness (which i think brick is stating) , and other concepts related to creating a state of well being and the for i think any intelligent being values the state of well being thus the ability to capture it is an act of intelligence for not anyone can. however the core manifests the outer layer yet the outer layer does not influence the core(possibilty to argue this). so i think this is the embodiment of the sphere ... the ability to solve philosophical and scientific questions and attain nirvana is the model of absolute intelligence.

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Posted: 07 March 2012 12:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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GAD - 06 March 2012 08:50 PM
Dennis Campbell - 06 March 2012 07:56 PM
TheBrotherMario - 06 March 2012 06:39 PM

Who is more intelligent:

A brilliant scientist who spends his free-time watching kiddie porn, or a garbage man who spends his free-time enjoying the company of a loving family?

Problem-solving intelligence is but one form of intelligence, and, not the highest form.

Go fuck yourself, and then have any product aborted.

That sounds pretty intelligent to me.

Sounds perfectly reasonable, too, given the poster to whom it was addressed and the idiotic nonsense he spouts. I wish more members here would direct similar sentences in the imperative to this religious lunatic.

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Posted: 07 March 2012 12:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Die fröhliche Wissenschaft (Rob) - 07 March 2012 12:09 AM
GAD - 06 March 2012 08:50 PM
Dennis Campbell - 06 March 2012 07:56 PM
TheBrotherMario - 06 March 2012 06:39 PM

Who is more intelligent:

A brilliant scientist who spends his free-time watching kiddie porn, or a garbage man who spends his free-time enjoying the company of a loving family?

Problem-solving intelligence is but one form of intelligence, and, not the highest form.

Go fuck yourself, and then have any product aborted.

That sounds pretty intelligent to me.

Sounds perfectly reasonable, too, given the poster to whom it was addressed and the idiotic nonsense he spouts. I wish more members here would direct similar sentences in the imperative to this religious lunatic.

That’s what I was thinking as well.

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Posted: 07 March 2012 04:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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DanielMoore1991 - 06 March 2012 11:56 PM

I think intelligence is something like a sphere where the core is comprehending complexity and solving problems on matters of complexity. this core embodies attributes like imagination, logical skills, determination. yet beyond the core and the outer most layer of the core is the understanding and ability to create the state of well being (which i think brother mario was trying to state… but his agression created lack of clarity) and this second part and out layer of the sphere embodies concepts of morality, abilities to create happiness (which i think brick is stating) , and other concepts related to creating a state of well being and the for i think any intelligent being values the state of well being thus the ability to capture it is an act of intelligence for not anyone can. however the core manifests the outer layer yet the outer layer does not influence the core(possibilty to argue this). so i think this is the embodiment of the sphere ... the ability to solve philosophical and scientific questions and attain nirvana is the model of absolute intelligence.

You seem to be referring to wisdom rather than intelligence, at least as far as how those terms are commonly used. For instance, how many of the above capacities does a person need in order to get a high score on an IQ test?

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