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Do religions do good in the world?
Posted: 08 February 2012 02:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 106 ]
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The concepts above of what a religious person is, especially a Christian, are infantile, superficial, and from the outside looking in.

I am not religious, nor a Christian, George, (the way secularists see a Christian to be and the way relgious people expect a Christian to be). I have written this before many times.

And, even if I were religious, I wouldn’t be doing good deeds to get others to convert to my religion, like Chris wrote above. How stupid. For every two white-shirted Mormons walking the streets proselytizing, there are 50,000 Christians worshipping God on their own, and 5,000 Christians doing good in their neighborhoods because there is a NEED. (My stats are ball park, at best, but you get my drift.)

Furthermore, Chris, if you think your time spent in religion, which obviously went rather unwell, authorizes you to correct someone according to your version of what it means to be “religious”, you think like a person looking back on an accident they walked away from without lifting a finger. Keep walking. Stop talking in support of your religious friends. Your “eye” on the needy is not worthy to tie their shoes before they walk out of houses and do something about it.

In a word, when someone chooses to “go it alone” in the world, they usually don’t “go anywhere” except the places that benefit themselves. This is the meaning behind this thread, not trying to turn atheists into religious. Just to get them to see the value of such people in the world.

Now, George (since you asked), your Bible quotes are really nice. (Being a bit facetious here.) I follow them often and everywhere. My days are filled with smiles to old people and young people, and quick conversations (when I can) to those I meet who get within my “circle”, as I think of it. I often take long looks, rather than the modern world’s preoccupied “passing glance”, at people’s faces (especially the elderly) to muster compassion and purge apathy, from deep inside me. (Try it sometime.) But, here, on Project Reason, where most of the posters are militant atheists promoting the purging of religion from the world, and the existence of human thought devoid of the spirit of God as the TRUTH—well, let’s just say, all bets are off. These people deserve what they get. And, most importantly, such people look at good and decent “Christians” as dubious, ignorant, superstitious, and IN NEED OF BEING EDUCATED BY THEM. So, being a good and decent Christian on Project Reason would not only be an exercise in futility, but also an exercise in swimming with the sharks. They call me a “chew toy” even now, after I slap them around thoroughly and often. Imagine what they would think if I became all lovey-dovey.

You, as an example, immediately thought yourself a superior “thinker” to me, and arrogantly announced your sometimes need to “chew” on believers in God.

So I stopped you in your tracks and knocked out your teeth. And, this is, too, the power of the spirit of God.

Something tells me, if Jesus was here (he actually said he still is, through his spirit), he would read the posts on Project Reason and say: “You generation of snakes! How can you, being evil men, speak what is good? For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart.” (Not, “peace be with you”.)

I guess the question becomes: “What is the heart of Project Reason now, since atheists have taken over, and secularism is a distant second?”

Is it to promote the “good” of humanity? Or is it to promote the “good” of atheism?

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Posted: 08 February 2012 02:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 107 ]
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The “DKA” novels by Joe Gores started out very promising—Gores, an actual former P.I. just like his literary icon, Dashiell Hammett, clearly knew the ins-and-outs of the field—but I lost interest after a few installments. Despite his avowed interest in noir, his series has little in common with Hammett’s work—his protagonists are members of a sizable firm with multiple employees, they work together, and many of them have strong personal connections with significant others. Also, the series became more comic-adventure and cartoonish as it went on. The subplot about the wacky Roma car thieves wasn’t as sexy or exotic, in my opinion, as Gores intended it.

Perhaps that’s the nature of series fiction; yet, I never get tired of Ed McBain’s 57th Precinct novels. Truth by told, I tire of mystery authors after awhile. I haven’t read the last two George Pelacanos books although I’ll probably get around to it, and I stopped following Joe Jackson several years ago. I think a lot of series writers get a little too invested in their characters and give in to the temptation to give them fuller lives. Which is a mistake, as often as not in crime fiction.

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Posted: 09 February 2012 06:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 108 ]
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What no James Patterson?

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Posted: 09 February 2012 10:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 109 ]
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Mike78 - 09 February 2012 06:23 AM

What no James Patterson?

That guy has turned into Tom Clancy lately—he sketches out a quick outline and subcontracts the actual writing to an underling. Nice work if you can get it.

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Posted: 09 February 2012 10:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 110 ]
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bigredfutbol - 09 February 2012 10:12 AM
Mike78 - 09 February 2012 06:23 AM

What no James Patterson?

That guy has turned into Tom Clancy lately—he sketches out a quick outline and subcontracts the actual writing to an underling. Nice work if you can get it.

And it’s crap, like Dr. Detective Alex Cross.

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Posted: 09 February 2012 10:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 111 ]
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Mike78 - 09 February 2012 10:21 AM
bigredfutbol - 09 February 2012 10:12 AM
Mike78 - 09 February 2012 06:23 AM

What no James Patterson?

That guy has turned into Tom Clancy lately—he sketches out a quick outline and subcontracts the actual writing to an underling. Nice work if you can get it.

And it’s crap, like Dr. Detective Alex Cross.

I’ve never read any of his books, to be honest.

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Posted: 09 February 2012 11:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 112 ]
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bigredfutbol - 09 February 2012 10:26 AM
Mike78 - 09 February 2012 10:21 AM
bigredfutbol - 09 February 2012 10:12 AM
Mike78 - 09 February 2012 06:23 AM

What no James Patterson?

That guy has turned into Tom Clancy lately—he sketches out a quick outline and subcontracts the actual writing to an underling. Nice work if you can get it.

And it’s crap, like Dr. Detective Alex Cross.

I’ve never read any of his books, to be honest.

Me either.  I did listen to one in the car on a long road trip.  It was abysmal.  It did, however, make me feel like I could make an easy living writing novels that “speed along like a runaway train” or some such crap.

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Posted: 09 February 2012 12:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 113 ]
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Mike78 - 09 February 2012 11:06 AM
bigredfutbol - 09 February 2012 10:26 AM
Mike78 - 09 February 2012 10:21 AM
bigredfutbol - 09 February 2012 10:12 AM
Mike78 - 09 February 2012 06:23 AM

What no James Patterson?

That guy has turned into Tom Clancy lately—he sketches out a quick outline and subcontracts the actual writing to an underling. Nice work if you can get it.

And it’s crap, like Dr. Detective Alex Cross.

I’ve never read any of his books, to be honest.

Me either.  I did listen to one in the car on a long road trip.  It was abysmal.  It did, however, make me feel like I could make an easy living writing novels that “speed along like a runaway train” or some such crap.

I remember a review of a Grisham novel which said his books were like “reading television.”

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Posted: 10 February 2012 07:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 114 ]
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TheBrotherMario - 08 February 2012 02:32 PM

Is it to promote the “good” of humanity? Or is it to promote the “good” of atheism?

I’m new to project reason and have not read this thread in entirety. Also, judging by your previous post I’m assuming my post here is futile. Nonetheless:

Do religions do “good?” Some! However, what good attested to religion is drastically statistically outweighed when viewed in light of its monumental productions of bad. The list is long, proven, and still being written (and probably within a previous post). Explanations (much like your last post) are normally conclusiory statements biased by religious misinformative opinions that state no opposition to scientific and historical fact. In fact, any other analogously ludicrous attempt to oppose reason and science is viewed as “crazy.” Religion, and people like you, are given free social passes to be contradictive, unproven, counterproductive (to man and society), and irrationally far-fetched. (it sounds almost fun if you ask me) 

I know of no other atheist who would rob an individual of their religion if they knew that person’s health and well being would be jeopardized by the process.  We are sad because many individuals unnecessarily feel that way. Accordingly the goal is to educate and hope people find their true potential devoid of false promises and deities.

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Posted: 10 February 2012 05:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 115 ]
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jobryne, and in the meantime, while you and your fellow “thinkers” think, the religious people of the world get off their asses and give of themselves to help cure the world’s ills. I have a religious friend who spends a couple of hours every Sunday spending time with a crippled guy who is stuck in his house and lonely as hell. This is one religious person out of millions doing such unselfish acts every day. And, you and idiots like Harris want to stop it all and replace it with your opinions on intellectual honesty and integrity. You should be ashamed of yourself and ashamed of your thoughts.

Furthermore, religion is only based upon superstition if God does not exist. If God exists, then you and Harris and all your so-called “free-thinkers” are nothing but liars, and your quest to institute secularism in the place of religion is a fool’s errand and humanity’s worse case scenario.

Read these words: God exists. Now go and look in the mirror and ask yourself who you are to claim that they cannot possibly be true.

Your post wasn’t futile. But, because you proudly eluded to the truth you were about to lavish on me, it became rather idiotic.

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Posted: 10 February 2012 10:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 116 ]
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TheBrotherMario - 10 February 2012 05:47 PM

jobryne, and in the meantime, while you and your fellow “thinkers” think, the religious people of the world get off their asses and give of themselves to help cure the world’s ills. I have a religious friend who spends a couple of hours every Sunday spending time with a crippled guy who is stuck in his house and lonely as hell. This is one religious person out of millions doing such unselfish acts every day. And, you and idiots like Harris want to stop it all and replace it with your opinions on intellectual honesty and integrity. You should be ashamed of yourself and ashamed of your thoughts.

Furthermore, religion is only based upon superstition if God does not exist. If God exists, then you and Harris and all your so-called “free-thinkers” are nothing but liars, and your quest to institute secularism in the place of religion is a fool’s errand and humanity’s worse case scenario.

Read these words: God exists. Now go and look in the mirror and ask yourself who you are to claim that they cannot possibly be true.

Your post wasn’t futile. But, because you proudly eluded to the truth you were about to lavish on me, it became rather idiotic.


That was pretty much the response I expected. The generalizations were a bit more idiotic than I originally gave you credit, but everything else was spot on.

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Posted: 10 February 2012 10:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 117 ]
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I. AM. AN. ASS!

If I took two seconds to skim this thread I would’ve realized not to respond to this guy.

My bad; won’t happen again.

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Posted: 11 February 2012 07:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 118 ]
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jobyrne8989 - 10 February 2012 10:20 PM

I. AM. AN. ASS!

If I took two seconds to skim this thread I would’ve realized not to respond to this guy.

My bad; won’t happen again.

Welcome to the club

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Posted: 11 February 2012 07:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 119 ]
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jobyrne8989 - 10 February 2012 10:20 PM

I. AM. AN. ASS!

If I took two seconds to skim this thread I would’ve realized not to respond to this guy.

My bad; won’t happen again.

Don’t feel bad.  You figured it out faster than I did.

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