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Notes of Philosophy on Revival Cryonics
By Daniel Moore
The current law forces all cryonic procedures to occur after death. Thus the law is one cannot be frozen till dead.
- This defeats the purpose for the point of cryonics is to not die.
- Cryonics should occur when the being is still alive. Thus the law should be changed.
- People should still be frozen when dead with hopes of resurrection but the living should be able to be frozen as well.
What is the contrast between cryopreservation and mere hypothermia? Cryogenics could be the equivalent and this is not good. Awareness of the effects should be observed in experimentation.
What is the response of the body when unfrozen?
- The body possibly needs voltages of electricity to jump start the heart.
If the body comes alive after unfrozen without voltage then the heart needs to be taken out before the cryopreservation then added once unfrozen.
- If the heart pumps and attempts to circulate blood to parts of the body that are yet to be entirely unfrozen then this action could be the equivalent of a blood clot.
When freezing occur the organs shut down and this is synonymous with death. And the basis point of the procedure is for the death to be caused by cryonics for if there is a death by any other cause for example cancer then when unfrozen the body is still dead because it died of cancer however if the death is caused by cryonics and then the body is unfrozen then the effects are possibly reversed. If this is the cause then the death is a merely pressing a pause button on life.
-cryoprotectants protect the walls of the blood vessels when blood freezes
- A troubling problem is configuring how removing the protectants relates to the revival process
-It should be noted that if the blood vessels can be dilated and the walls expand then when the blood freezes it will not harm the walls of the blood vessels because the walls will be wider.
-Possibly, blood can be reduced from the body as well as dilating the blood vessels.
When we see them being able to freeze a mouse then return it to life, that will be time enough to think about freezing live people. Till then, it should not be legal to murder live people by freezing them.
When we see them being able to freeze a mouse then return it to life, that will be time enough to think about freezing live people. Till then, it should not be legal to murder live people by freezing them.
If someone wants to gamble then it should be legal for them to do so.
Also if one is gambling with the goal of immortality then the law should not interfere if only to interfere by limiting the odds by assuring death. The law, if the gamble serves correct, is committing the act of murdering. For if one intends to use the present methods of preservation and gambles then hypothetically what influenced the gamble was the notion of general freezing and preservation. Thus the government, by making the act of preservation before death illegal is decreasing the odds of the gambler.
Daniel Moore does not understand the difference between philosophy and biology.
He could have written an interesting piece about how cryonics will force us to keep the population low, and on the rights of people who are preserved cryonically. Instead, he delivers a tedious lecture on the science of cryonic revival armed with only his pre-layman grasp of biology.
Daniel Moore does not understand the difference between philosophy and biology.
He could have written an interesting piece about how cryonics will force us to keep the population low, and on the rights of people who are preserved cryonically. Instead, he delivers a tedious lecture on the science of cryonic revival armed with only his pre-layman grasp of biology.
I’ll tell you what, kid. I’ll give you a project. Write a more interesting post on the philosophy of cryonics. Philosophy, this time, kid. Complete this project and I’ll grade your work. Be warned, though: in the JayD school, only the best work gets higher than an F.
I specifically chose to show these writings. And if you cannot respect the work than I cannot offer you anymore. My other work is open ended and cannot be concluded without experimentation and because of the copyright law I must not even show you it. And with all due respect I am new to cryonic resuscitation, however, can assure you I have contributed more work to the field than you. Give me money for a laboratory so I can experiment on you, then you can get a first hand look.
Also if one is gambling with the goal of immortality then the law should not interfere if only to interfere by limiting the odds by assuring death. The law, if the gamble serves correct, is committing the act of murdering. For if one intends to use the present methods of preservation and gambles then hypothetically what influenced the gamble was the notion of general freezing and preservation. Thus the government, by making the act of preservation before death illegal is decreasing the odds of the gambler.
To slightly modify Pascal:
Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that immortality is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose merely a few short years of your life. Wager, then, without hesitation that immortality is. (...) There is here an infinity of an infinitely happy life to gain, a chance of gain against a finite number of chances of loss, and what you stake is finite. And so our proposition is of infinite force, when there is the finite to stake in a game where there are equal risks of gain and of loss, and the infinite to gain.
Also if one is gambling with the goal of immortality then the law should not interfere if only to interfere by limiting the odds by assuring death. The law, if the gamble serves correct, is committing the act of murdering. For if one intends to use the present methods of preservation and gambles then hypothetically what influenced the gamble was the notion of general freezing and preservation. Thus the government, by making the act of preservation before death illegal is decreasing the odds of the gambler.
To slightly modify Pascal:
Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that immortality is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose merely a few short years of your life. Wager, then, without hesitation that immortality is. (...) There is here an infinity of an infinitely happy life to gain, a chance of gain against a finite number of chances of loss, and what you stake is finite. And so our proposition is of infinite force, when there is the finite to stake in a game where there are equal risks of gain and of loss, and the infinite to gain.
Thank you, well said. But you must not say that there are equal risks of gains, for there are only equal risks of losses (death). For there is no other equality on the other end of the spectrum of the chance at immortality.
I specifically chose to show these writings. And if you cannot respect the work than I cannot offer you anymore. My other work is open ended and cannot be concluded without experimentation and because of the copyright law I must not even show you it. And with all due respect I am new to cryonic resuscitation, however, can assure you I have contributed more work to the field than you. Give me money for a laboratory so I can experiment on you, then you can get a first hand look.
Fucking Mr Freeze over here.
DanielMoore1991 - 03 February 2012 01:14 PM
Also, I can assure you I am more of a man than you, even on my worst day. So when talking to me you are the kid.
Oh noes! Please don’t zap me with your freeze gun, Mr Freeze!
I specifically chose to show these writings. And if you cannot respect the work than I cannot offer you anymore. My other work is open ended and cannot be concluded without experimentation and because of the copyright law I must not even show you it. And with all due respect I am new to cryonic resuscitation, however, can assure you I have contributed more work to the field than you. Give me money for a laboratory so I can experiment on you, then you can get a first hand look.
Fucking Mr Freeze over here.
DanielMoore1991 - 03 February 2012 01:14 PM
Also, I can assure you I am more of a man than you, even on my worst day. So when talking to me you are the kid.
Oh noes! Please don’t zap me with your freeze gun, Mr Freeze!
