Greatest I am - 16 February 2012 01:21 PM
Poldano - 10 February 2012 08:48 PM
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Going to jail indicates a violation of legality. Morality is different from legality, in that it has to do with subjectively internal rules of behavior. I.e., being legal means avoiding going to jail, while being moral means avoiding making someone else go to jail for quite understandably embedding your face in a barroom floor.
I think your original question is unanswerable with any current investigative techniques. The kinds of immorality that men and women engage in tend to differ by gender. Men are much more likely to be quite forward about their moral transgressions, such that they tend to do those overt wrongs that also proscribed by civil laws. Women are much less likely to overtly transgress laws, but engage in behavior that abuses and exploits others non-physically or indirectly, or takes unfair opportunity of their relationships or positions.
Women may do so. Hard to tell but since it is man who has denied woman equality in both politics and religions forever, I would say that equality was a main marker for morality and men continue to show that they do not have much.
Moral men would seek to right this injustice and we do not.
Regards
DL
You’ve clearly got radical feminist mythology down pat. Despite such an amazing demonstration of erudition, I think I have the better hand, pokerishly speaking, and choose to raise. Baseballishly-speaking, I’m also throwing you a slider, just for chuckles.
In an ideal patriarchy, men would have no need for morality. Morality exists to allow equals to cooperate, and to allow inferiors to live long enough to potentially become equal. The ideal self-sufficient, self-reliant man has no need of other people for survival, and needs women only for procreation, which is really a requirement of the species and of the man’s own mortality, and not of the individual. An immortal man would need not concern himself at all with women.
The human species cannot sustain an ideal patriarchy, because its members are mortal, and because some of its members must endure long periods of relative helplessness during which they need the protection of others. Humans invented morality to encourage men to protect women and their own offspring. Individually, women with dependent children, children, and inferior adult males benefit individually from morality. A superior male does not. Therefore, to criticize a superior male for being immoral is asinine.
Since women are responsible for the basic training of young boys, including the moral training, and since women are competitive among each other with respect to their own childrens’ relative success, but must cooperate with each other and be subservient to superior males, they inculcate in children an assymetric morality. Males are taught to be subservient to stronger males, aggressive toward anyone weaker, and cooperative with equals. Females are taught to be overtly and visibly cooperative, but to use covert means to attempt to achieve relative advantages for themselves and their children from superior males. Therefore, women are responsible for inculcating in boys the male behavior that strengthens patriarchy. It is really a chicken-and-egg type of situation, and would fall apart if either gender dropped its participation.
Now, if you swung at this before now, you lose. I can make up scheitz like this (i.e., just-so explanations unsupported by reliable data) at will. I usually don’t, out of respect for the other members here, but in this case I’m making an exception, to show how easily it’s done, and how really insignificant the claims are. Real science, and hence real rationality, require painstaking collection and examination of data to reach conclusions, and advise refraining from ideologically-tinged conclusions at least until evidence is sufficient to make other conclusions unlikely.
If you are interested in some actual scientific background on this, I have two books to suggest to start with. One is the classic Primate Social Behavior, by Southwick (a little green book, probably out-of-print but available used). The other is more recent, Demonic Males: Apes and the Origins of Human Violence, by Wrangham and Peterson. For some lighter anecdotal fare suggesting the role of women in sustaining immoral male behavior, I suggest Malcolm Gladwell’s account of the Harlan County War in Outliers, as well as the American Experience television program episode about Jesse James.
I also want to point out one clear factual error in your post above. This is your assertion that “man has denied women equality in both politics and religion forever.” Clearly, you’re not familiar with matriarchal societies in history. The Iroquois were matriarchal, the Celts were largely matriarchal, the Minoans were evidently matriarchal, and there is some evidence that matriarchy predominated in at least some areas of Arabia prior to the onset of Islam.
As for “Moral men would seek to right this injustice and we do not”, speak for yourself.
