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The Myth of Quantum and Cosmic Consciousness
Posted: 23 January 2012 08:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 91 ]
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Oh. Here it is:
http://www.project-reason.org/forum/viewthread/23136/

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Posted: 23 January 2012 09:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 92 ]
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I guess JayD would be the definition of a’ troll’ then? And a neurotic one at that. It’s very easy to hang out on the internet just to ‘fuck’ with people.

Just not very impressive to me.

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Posted: 23 January 2012 10:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 93 ]
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The problem is simply that holistic
philosophy simply has not yet taken hold.

I disagree. In fact, no small portion of the blame for the current
excessive self absorption lies at the feet of the proponents of the new
mysticism. Anyone listening to New Age gurus, and modern Christian
preachers, cannot miss the emphasis on the individual finding easy
gratification, rather than sacrificing and selflessly laboring for a better
world. Holistic philosophy is the perfect self-delusion for the spoiled brat
of any age, all decked out in the latest fashion, who loves to talk about
solving the problems of the world but has no intention of sweating a drop
in achieving this noble goal
. Reductionist classical physics did not make people egoists. People
were egoists long before reductionist classical physics. In fact, classical
physics has nothing to say about humans except that they are material
objects like rocks and trees, made of nothing more than the same atoms -
just more cleverly arranged by the impersonal forces of self-organization
and evolution. This is hardly a philosophical basis for narcissism.

The new quantum holism, on the other hand, feeds our delusions of
personal importance. It tells us that we are part of an immortal cosmic
mind with the power to perform miracles and, as Shirley MacLaine has
said, to make our own reality. Who needs God when we, ourselves, are
God? Thoughts of our participation in cosmic consciousness inflate our
egos to the point where we can ignore our short-comings and even forget
our mortality.

Stenger

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Posted: 23 January 2012 10:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 94 ]
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nv - 23 January 2012 08:41 AM

Does ego always need to be turned on full blast for you? If so, that says something about your actual confidence in matters within your field of expertise. You say you don’t have a Ph.D. rather than you don’t yet have a Ph.D. This would seem to imply that you have no intention or hope (I have no idea which) of ever earning one. What’s in your way—ego or lack of brain power?

The idea that it could be lack of brain power is kind of laughable considering that most physics PhDs are even more laughable. The best ones become university professors, but fire 95% of university staff and physics will progress 1000% faster, like it used to in the early 20th century when it had only a fraction of the people working on it that it does now. At the moment, they’re just cluttering up journals with their worthless, pretend contributions.

As for the question of what to do for a living, there’s certainly more honourable trades than professional lie-telling or professional tricking people into thinking you’re doing something important.

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Posted: 23 January 2012 10:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 95 ]
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Avogadro’s number - 23 January 2012 10:05 AM

The problem is simply that holistic
philosophy simply has not yet taken hold.

I disagree. In fact, no small portion of the blame for the current
excessive self absorption lies at the feet of the proponents of the new
mysticism. Anyone listening to New Age gurus, and modern Christian
preachers, cannot miss the emphasis on the individual finding easy
gratification, rather than sacrificing and selflessly laboring for a better
world. Holistic philosophy is the perfect self-delusion for the spoiled brat
of any age, all decked out in the latest fashion, who loves to talk about
solving the problems of the world but has no intention of sweating a drop
in achieving this noble goal
. Reductionist classical physics did not make people egoists. People
were egoists long before reductionist classical physics. In fact, classical
physics has nothing to say about humans except that they are material
objects like rocks and trees, made of nothing more than the same atoms -
just more cleverly arranged by the impersonal forces of self-organization
and evolution. This is hardly a philosophical basis for narcissism.

The new quantum holism, on the other hand, feeds our delusions of
personal importance. It tells us that we are part of an immortal cosmic
mind with the power to perform miracles and, as Shirley MacLaine has
said, to make our own reality. Who needs God when we, ourselves, are
God? Thoughts of our participation in cosmic consciousness inflate our
egos to the point where we can ignore our short-comings and even forget
our mortality.

Stenger

Awesome! Really like that.

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Posted: 23 January 2012 04:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 96 ]
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Avogadro’s number - 23 January 2012 09:48 AM

I guess JayD would be the definition of a’ troll’ then? And a neurotic one at that. It’s very easy to hang out on the internet just to ‘fuck’ with people.

Just not very impressive to me.

Proper physicists, physicists who ‘can’, are out there making a contribution to physics not in here pretending and blaming everyone else for their lack of recognition and advancement. I think it has been amply demonstrated that JayD is a puffed up prima donna with no expertise in physics or anything else. He certainly has not demonstrated such expertise here. He has simply waffled on about stuff that any lay person with a basic understanding of the issues could spout. Unimpressive to say the least. I think that I can confidently predict that we will never see a published work on physics or neuroscience by JayD.

The problem for JayD is that his demonstrated ability in any field is orders of magnitude lower than the level of his ego and conceitedness. Of course, with his lack of expertise, his ego and his serious attitude problem, he will get nowhere in here, just as he is nowhere in real life. One of JayD’s most serious shortcomings is that he thinks he can fool people. Alas! The only person he successfully fools is himself.

Let him continue to run round in circles like a chicken with its head chopped off. He makes an idiot of no one but himself. But then, who cares?

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Posted: 24 January 2012 06:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 97 ]
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I see JayD is getting gang-banged by the “Gods” who wipe the shit off their asses and then type “great and wonderful” things without washing their hands.

Shirley Maclaine? This is your source of wisdom?

The “myth” is that “consciousness” is an evolution of an ancient protein.

Why do you think Sam Harris is hell-bent upon trying to scientifically explain “consciousness”? (He has admitted, by the way, this will probably never happen.)

Because he knows that “CONSCIOUSNESS” POINTS TO THE EXISTENCE OF A SPIRIT.

Philosophers and theologians (basically, all true “thinkers”) throughout history knew this, and wrote about it profoundly and convincingly.

Now, in modern times, shit-wipers without a stitch of education or intellectual talent, armed with only an abundance of agenda-driven and self-serving fervor, jump on the bandwagons of skeptics and fools who throw out all this history of profound thought in favor of mythic scientific discovery.

Sit back down on the toilet and think on this honest assessment of who you people are and why you think as you do. Then, when your dumping and your thinking is done, oh “Gods”, make sure you wipe your stinking fingers when you are finished.

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Posted: 24 January 2012 07:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 98 ]
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More contet-free insults, Rob? Again you prove incapable of engaging me on any matters of substance. You can’t even provide specific examples to support your various charges. The cheap debating tricks of a lawyer.

If it’s true that I’m only a layman, then by implication you are far beneath a layman. Which raises the question: What the fuck are you doing posting about physics?

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Posted: 24 January 2012 07:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 99 ]
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I don’t believe I have ever met such an insecure bullshitter as this “Rob”, whose very username (pathetically, wretched and vainly trying to impress us with high-sounding German) reeks of inferiority complex.  In one post, he freely admits that elementary concepts like “phase space” and “equivalence relationship” are so far over his head that he’s too baffled and intimidated to look up their definitions on Wikipedia. In other posts, he presumes to hold forth on foundations of quantum mechanics and be treated as an equal by long-time devotees of the subject.

He doesn’t know what he’s talking about, yet appears to demand that everything should be immediately comprehensible to him. If he doesn’t understand an aspect of someone’s post, he will demand references or accuse them of being “post-modernist” instead of humbly asking for clarification.

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Posted: 24 January 2012 07:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 100 ]
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Ah, but then, you dumkopf, it was not me who bragged about having expertise in physics. It was you. But, as had repeatedly been demonstrated, you have shown no such expertise. You have been caught out and you don’t like it. And all you can do in your feeble attempts to defend yourself is to come back with your ‘content free’ insults. As for insecurity, well, I think we can see in whose lap that falls. You’re a poor, miserable nobody and always will be.

You’re the one who came in here to “fuck with people” and you ended up getting yourself fucked. What a laugh!

Well, I think I’ve had my fun with you now. So it’s back on ignore for you. Pip pip old chap! Keep your chin up.

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Posted: 24 January 2012 07:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 101 ]
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Caught out how? Name a single statement I’ve made about physics that was not rigorously accurate.

Until you do that, you’re just a walking inferiority complex who never engages with content.

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Posted: 24 January 2012 11:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 102 ]
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No Mario, Shirley McCain is not a source for wisdom, and if you had any reading comprehension you would have have noticed she was used as a source of idiocy.

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Posted: 24 January 2012 03:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 103 ]
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Rob! Get at me!

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Posted: 25 January 2012 02:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 104 ]
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DanielMoore1991 - 24 January 2012 03:36 PM

Rob! Get at me!

Hey, Daniel!  Check you PM folder. I hope you will find what I have said helpful.

Cheers

Rob

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