Not the Higgs Boson, but another Boson.

New Particle at Large Hadron Collider Discovered by ATLAS Experiment
ScienceDaily (Dec. 22, 2011) — Researchers from the University of Birmingham and Lancaster University, analysing data taken by the ATLAS experiment, have been at the centre of what is believed to be the first clear observation of a new particle at the Large Hadron Collider

The particle, the chi b(3P), is a new way of combining a beauty quark and its antiquark so that they bind together. Like the more famous Higgs particle, the chi b(3P) is a boson. However, whereas the Higgs is not made up of smaller particles, the chi b(3P) combines two very heavy objects via the same ‘strong force’ which holds the atomic nucleus together.

Andy Chisholm, a PhD student from the University of Birmingham who worked on the analysis said: ‘Analysing the billions of particle collisions at the LHC is fascinating. There are potentially all kinds of interesting things buried in the data, and we were lucky to look in the right place at the right time.’

‘The chi b(3P) is a particle that was predicted by many theorists, but was not observed at previous experiments, such as in my previous work on the D-Zero experiment in Chicago,’ continued Dr James Walder, a Lancaster research associate who worked on the analysis.

Dr Miriam Watson, a research fellow working in the Birmingham group observed: ‘The lighter partners of the chi b(3P) were observed around twenty five years ago. Our new measurements are a great way to test theoretical calculations of the forces that act on fundamental particles, and will move us a step closer to understanding how the universe is held together.’

Professor Roger Jones, Head of the Lancaster ATLAS group said: ‘While people are rightly interested in the Higgs boson, which we believe gives particles their mass and may have started to reveal itself, a lot of the mass of everyday objects comes from the strong interaction we are investigating using the chi b.’

What are the mystics going to do if we eventually figure out what matter is and where it gets it’s mass? Well, they always have consciousness to fall back on don’t they?

Consciousness is seated in the bozo not the Boson.

I’m hoping they discover the dingleberry.

It is an impossibility to join together, no matter how many or how diverse, lesser things and arrive at something qualitatively greater. The only possibility for these lesser things to have a part in the creation of something qualitatively greater is for something even greater than the qualitatively greater thing to be added to these lesser things.

In other words, you mundane intellects posing as qualitatively greater thinkers, scientists WILL NEVER DISCOVER HOW LIFE GREW OUT OF THE SIMPLE ELEMENTS OF THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE because it did not happen that way.

Scientists are closing in on understanding the fantastical makeup of the physical universe. But the biological world is another story. And any fool who tries to join the two together using the same tools and understanding, and refuses to entertain something even greater in their deliberations than both of these, has as much of a chance of success as a dog does in learning mathematics.

And (trust me on this one) the only competition the mystic has are principalities and powers, not a geeky scientist who may or may not jerk off between experiments.

TheBrotherMario - 11 January 2012 02:09 PM

It is an impossibility to join together, no matter how many or how diverse, lesser things and arrive at something qualitatively greater. The only possibility for these lesser things to have a part in the creation of something qualitatively greater is for something even greater than the qualitatively greater thing to be added to these lesser things.

In other words, you mundane intellects posing as qualitatively greater thinkers, scientists WILL NEVER DISCOVER HOW LIFE GREW OUT OF THE SIMPLE ELEMENTS OF THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE because it did not happen that way.

Scientists are closing in on understanding the fantastical makeup of the physical universe. But the biological world is another story. And any fool who tries to join the two together using the same tools and understanding, and refuses to entertain something even greater in their deliberations than both of these, has as much of a chance of success as a dog does in learning mathematics.

And (trust me on this one) the only competition the mystic has are principalities and powers, not a geeky scientist who may or may not jerk off between experiments.

http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/01/researchers-resurrect-lost-proteins-to-understand-molecular-machines.ars

burt - 11 January 2012 02:30 PM

TheBrotherMario - 11 January 2012 02:09 PM

It is an impossibility to join together, no matter how many or how diverse, lesser things and arrive at something qualitatively greater. The only possibility for these lesser things to have a part in the creation of something qualitatively greater is for something even greater than the qualitatively greater thing to be added to these lesser things.

In other words, you mundane intellects posing as qualitatively greater thinkers, scientists WILL NEVER DISCOVER HOW LIFE GREW OUT OF THE SIMPLE ELEMENTS OF THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE because it did not happen that way.

Scientists are closing in on understanding the fantastical makeup of the physical universe. But the biological world is another story. And any fool who tries to join the two together using the same tools and understanding, and refuses to entertain something even greater in their deliberations than both of these, has as much of a chance of success as a dog does in learning mathematics.

And (trust me on this one) the only competition the mystic has are principalities and powers, not a geeky scientist who may or may not jerk off between experiments.

http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/01/researchers-resurrect-lost-proteins-to-understand-molecular-machines.ars

BM’s cited post here borders on the realm of cognitive confusion.

Don’t get your hopes up. They’re not going to discover the Higgs boson particle. There’s too many theoretical problems associated with a field that is present everywhere in space, but noneless manifests as a particle.

It’s possible that the Higgs particle will never be found, yet the Higgs field still exists and gives mass to fundamental particles (i.e. contributes to the Hamiltonian the term that has been known as the mass term).

Burt, your link proves my point. The evolution of these ancient proteins into “molecular machines” shows a purpose to life not found in the physical universe.

Furthermore, the search for ancient “proteins” is not a search for ancient “elements”.

Once life began, it evolved with a wondrous purpose and into a fantastical realm. And it is the beginning of life that the scientist will never discover, not it’s evolution.

This is because God’s science is the only science, and a science we walk around in like children in a candy store.

Erasing God from the equation, what the material atheist promotes, stifles the imagination and limits the intellect.

It is only the God of magical powers, what the fundamentalist believer promotes, that must be erased from the equation.

There are many forms of intelligence, Burt. And mathematical intelligence is the stuff of children. Move past it to a deeper abstraction, and watch how science bursts out of its shell into meaning and purpose.

But to throw out the personality of God in the process, is to throw a monkey wrench in the whole damn thing. And I believe it is in this that we differ the most.

I agree with Mario. The world is basically a superposition of possibilities. Right, Mario?

Including the classic….God did it!!!! Well of course he/she did.

JayD, scientists, especially in the last fifty years, have done a wonderful job looking deeper and deeper into physical and biological realities. And this research will, without a doubt, benefit us all and enlighten us all.

HOWEVER, scientists have NEVER gotten out from under the glaring discrepancies between these two realities into the bright light of discovering HOW their meeting first happened and WHY life is purposeful while the elements are not.

Are scientists closing in on WHERE this meeting first happened and WHEN life joined with the elements? Absolutely they are, for this is in the realm of science.

BUT, for scientists (and pedestrian intellects) to look at these discoveries, and then leap infinitely forward to grandiose claims that they POINT AWAY FROM a creator and a divine intellect, disqualifies them AS scientists, for they are willfully misreading the data and ignoring their shortcomings.

Scientists are climbing up a ladder of secondary causes and limited data, therefore (just as there is no silly “multi-universe”) they will never reach a top rung that will stand upon and peer over into a complete understanding and knowledge of reality. This is because such knowledge and understanding goes beyond mathematics into purpose, and beyond data into divinity; and it is the thinkers who combine intellectual reasoning with spiritual insight who have the tallest ladder.

The best of us, who are rarely found, learn from both Hawking AND Augustine. The worst of us, who are myriad, learn from only what supports their personal opinions.

Science, in all its wondrous discoveries and blatant limitations, supports and confirms the existence of a divine intellect and, more importantly, the revelation of a divine personality—a divine personality that the world has named “God”.

Awwwww…..God did it. It’s magic! How sweet of him/her.

Avogadro’s number - 23 December 2011 06:06 AM

What are the mystics going to do if we eventually figure out what matter is and where it gets it’s mass? Well, they always have consciousness to fall back on don’t they?

Thank goodenss science is working and gaining ground in that area as well. I am so over the wank philosophers/mystics engage in over consciousness. And the merely conventionally religious, they are not even in the race, as usual. Religion tends to destroy normal consciousness and makes people quite nutty. Look at BM.

Wow, Rob, you certainly blew my post out of the water in just a few beer-filled sentences.

I stand defeated.

I will burn my whole library and throw away my degrees and forget my mystical life.

I am heading to the fridge for a beer.

Thanks, man.

I’ve found that the least harmful way of dealing with BM is to avoid (as much as possible) addressing him directly. Referring to him in the 3rd person is more than adequate for ordinary everyday purposes. After all, he is toxic - ok to talk about but any more intimate contact is to be avoided.

I always try to remember our dear Hitch’s warning:

“Religion Poisons Everything!”

Wait…I think I hear a struck dog yelping and running away.

I despise animal cruelty—but not in this case.