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Posted: 31 December 2011 09:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Geez…same old same old…got any good jokes!!!

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Posted: 31 December 2011 01:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Yeah, I got one:

How many atheists does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Well, the atheist asks, did the light bulb go out or was it taken out?

What kind of light bulb are you talking about here?

Is the light, in which said light bulb will be said screwed into, up high where I will need some form of ladder?

Will I actually use this said light once said light bulb is screwed into it?

Will…and on and on…

So, the answer is—none, for said atheist would never commit himself to a task that he is not in complete control over.

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Posted: 31 December 2011 01:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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A simple no would have done the job you plum…. LOL

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Posted: 31 December 2011 03:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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MARTIN UK - 31 December 2011 01:42 PM

A simple no would have done the job you plum…. LOL

His avatar on an otherwise blank page suffices.

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Posted: 31 December 2011 09:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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TheBrotherMario - 31 December 2011 09:15 AM

Burt, you jumping on me for a “lack of care of thought” is laughable.

If I have shown one thing, I have shown diligent thinking.

Your attack is, once again, you holding on with your brain tips to anything you can to refute my claims to know and understand the living God.

ROTFLMAO!  You have shown diligent adherence to your own self-constructed beliefs and squirm about in any way possible to insist that you are in possession of absolute truth.  Diligent thought, on the other hand, is a bit foreign to your repertoire.  On the other hand, I have no interest or reason to attempt to refute your beliefs, although I do have an interest in pointing out your errors in logic and so on.  The phrase “me thinks the lady doth protest too much” comes to mine.

TheBrotherMario - 31 December 2011 09:15 AM

[gratuitous insults clipped out]

You read to find truth, yet you only judge these truths according to your opinions.

This means you are doing the opposite of what truth demands, for truth demands we look at things objectively and distrust our personal biases.

The pot calling the kettle black.  When you can realize that you have brainwashed and hypnotized yourself into a spiritual cul de sac you may have the beginnings of wisdom. 

TheBrotherMario - 31 December 2011 09:15 AM

So I see the falseness in you, That you do not see the truth in me is understandable, and the way it should be, in your present condition of self-centeredness.

You are one of the fools of the world who has internalized all authority.

That is why when you read, way back, my personal experiences of God, which God chose to include the external world in giving, you immediately looked inside my mind for explanations of them.

However, no psychological explanation can provide an answer to (1) someone having a friend arrive at their door with a Bible because a light emanating from a picture told them to do this; or (2) someone receiving a foretaste of heaven an hour before reading a chapter in a book on it; or (3) someone experiencing a baptism of tears and crying for 90 minutes without feeling a moment’s sorrow.

These three experiences (and there have been many more besides), that you have self-servingly dismissed as personal and psychological, reveal (you know, Mr.“mystic”, as in revelation) (1) the existence of a living God with a personality, who “plays among the sons of men”; (2) the power of an omnipotent God, who “the universe cannot hold”; and (3) the love of a personal God, who “hears the cry of the poor”.

You construct your interpretations of experiences in your own mind.  The fact that you now place them on a pedestal and worship them is your particular trap.  Just suppose that God has been laying out tests, sort of like tossing out bait on a fish line.  When people bite (by interpreting experiences) they get frozen at that level.  The only people who actually come finally to God as such are those who don’t take any of the other bait.  Only then can they enter into the Presence.  Well, as I said before, you’re blinded by the light.

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Posted: 31 December 2011 09:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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Answerer - 31 December 2011 03:42 PM
MARTIN UK - 31 December 2011 01:42 PM

A simple no would have done the job you plum…. LOL

His avatar on an otherwise blank page suffices.

There once was a believer named BM
His postings, you don’t want to see ‘em
He’ll rant and he’ll rave
That idolatrous slave
It’s worse than an icy BM

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Posted: 01 January 2012 03:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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burt - 31 December 2011 09:28 PM
Answerer - 31 December 2011 03:42 PM
MARTIN UK - 31 December 2011 01:42 PM

A simple no would have done the job you plum…. LOL

His avatar on an otherwise blank page suffices.

There once was a believer named BM
His postings, you don’t want to see ‘em
He’ll rant and he’ll rave
That idolatrous slave
It’s worse than an icy BM

You all have much funnier humour than BM, even without trying hard.
His resembles more Primary School level.
“No it doesn’t…erm, yours does!”....predictable I’m afraid.

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Posted: 01 January 2012 07:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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Burt…the “Presence”? This is your enlightened knowledge and understanding of God?

God’s incarnation as a human being; God as a Trinity of persons; God as an omnipotent supreme being and an omniscient personality—these REVELATIONS of God, along with many more, are trumped by your personal opinion that God is the “Presence”?

And this opinion of yours has freed you from a frozen spirit that comes from the knowledge and understanding of the revelations of God above?

No.

It has freed you to ignore absolute truth and pay all your attention to personal opinion.

Here’s another phrase: “The fool goes around and calls everything foolish”.

You can’t give what you do not have, Burt. And you do not have the knowledge, understanding, or power that comes from the Holy Spirit, the Lord and giver of life, and the presence of the living God everywhere and in every one of us (to the degree of our faith, hope, and love).

Every word you write reveals the lack of God’s spirit and the abundance of your own willful ignorance.

You are believing yourself wise because you have traveled the world of people and have read the words of people, all the while ignoring the only teacher we have—The Lord, who is with us always, until the end of time. Now this is God as the “Presence” that actually has the deepest and truest meaning, far superior to and more enlightened than your regurgitated mysticism from Ibn Ibn Ibn, sons of men who’s personal lives have placed over their revelations of God a darker veil.

I have just written to you the truth, given to me through the light and power of the Holy Spirit.

And I am prepared to read the darkness and weakness, for that is all you have to give, you will answer in response.

I expect nothing more.

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Posted: 01 January 2012 07:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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Just gotta love these religiostupidified when they think the Bible is not words of people. 1,800 contradictions later and Mario still thinks they are the words of his God.

Too funny.

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Posted: 01 January 2012 08:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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Avocado, I did not write that only the Bible is God’s revelation to people. I (sort of) wrote that the Bible is the best revelation of God to people, for it possesses the truth through the thinnest veil.

I have also written that if God was to write a book, the pages of the Introduction would stack up to the moon. But God, the Holy Spirit, has given us a history of revealed truth by the only means possible—i.e., the writings of stories and the teachings of men.

Would you have God appear in all his glory and end all mystery, all human history, and the physical universe?

Of course you would.

Because you’re an idiot, ignorant of every profound thing.

But those with knowledge and understanding, born from true wisdom, see beauty in mystery, divine reward in human struggles, and an eternal life before God awaiting the created universe.

To deny the existence of God, and then believe this gives you the ability to correct God’s plan, is tantamount to living in the city and believing this gives you the ability to teach farmers how to grow crops.

Thus the “idiot” observation.

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Posted: 01 January 2012 07:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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TheBrotherMario - 01 January 2012 07:22 AM

Burt…the “Presence”? This is your enlightened knowledge and understanding of God?

God’s incarnation as a human being; God as a Trinity of persons; God as an omnipotent supreme being and an omniscient personality—these REVELATIONS of God, along with many more, are trumped by your personal opinion that God is the “Presence”?

And this opinion of yours has freed you from a frozen spirit that comes from the knowledge and understanding of the revelations of God above?

No.

It has freed you to ignore absolute truth and pay all your attention to personal opinion.

Here’s another phrase: “The fool goes around and calls everything foolish”.

You can’t give what you do not have, Burt. And you do not have the knowledge, understanding, or power that comes from the Holy Spirit, the Lord and giver of life, and the presence of the living God everywhere and in every one of us (to the degree of our faith, hope, and love).

Every word you write reveals the lack of God’s spirit and the abundance of your own willful ignorance.

You are believing yourself wise because you have traveled the world of people and have read the words of people, all the while ignoring the only teacher we have—The Lord, who is with us always, until the end of time. Now this is God as the “Presence” that actually has the deepest and truest meaning, far superior to and more enlightened than your regurgitated mysticism from Ibn Ibn Ibn, sons of men who’s personal lives have placed over their revelations of God a darker veil.

I have just written to you the truth, given to me through the light and power of the Holy Spirit.

And I am prepared to read the darkness and weakness, for that is all you have to give, you will answer in response.

I expect nothing more.

You, who promote only the words you have read in your Catholic studies, who try to put the infinite and eternal into a box you have constructed to glorify your own ego because you have convinced yourself that you know the absolute truth, who can quote scriptures with facility while imprisoning the meaning they carry in your limited understanding.  Piffle.  You expect nothing more, see nothing more, and comprehend nothing more because you limit yourself to nothing more.  Stuck like a monkey with your hand in the cookie jar, blinded by the light.

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Posted: 02 January 2012 04:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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burt - 01 January 2012 07:25 PM

You, who promote only the words you have read in your Catholic studies, who try to put the infinite and eternal into a box you have constructed to glorify your own ego because you have convinced yourself that you know the absolute truth, who can quote scriptures with facility while imprisoning the meaning they carry in your limited understanding.  Piffle.  You expect nothing more, see nothing more, and comprehend nothing more because you limit yourself to nothing more.  Stuck like a monkey with your hand in the cookie jar, blinded by the light.

It’s of interest to note that those who externalise authority, whether it be a Deity, or the words of a “holy” book, or even a Guru or Earth Daddy, can still internalise this authority and when needed claim that personal revelation gives them the jus divinum to instruct and direct us all.

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And…always look on the bright side of life…
Always look on the light side of life.
Monty Python’s Life of Brian

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Posted: 02 January 2012 08:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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MARTIN UK - 02 January 2012 04:30 AM
burt - 01 January 2012 07:25 PM

You, who promote only the words you have read in your Catholic studies, who try to put the infinite and eternal into a box you have constructed to glorify your own ego because you have convinced yourself that you know the absolute truth, who can quote scriptures with facility while imprisoning the meaning they carry in your limited understanding.  Piffle.  You expect nothing more, see nothing more, and comprehend nothing more because you limit yourself to nothing more.  Stuck like a monkey with your hand in the cookie jar, blinded by the light.

It’s of interest to note that those who externalise authority, whether it be a Deity, or the words of a “holy” book, or even a Guru or Earth Daddy, can still internalise this authority and when needed claim that personal revelation gives them the jus divinum to instruct and direct us all.

The worst are those who follow up their “instruction” with requests for money.  In small, unmarked notes, please.  And make it a weekly donation.

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Posted: 02 January 2012 08:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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The worst are those who follow up their “instruction” with requests for money.  In small, unmarked notes, please.  And make it a weekly donation.

I’ve tried that.  So far, have not received a dime.  Ungrateful people!

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There is my truth.  There is your truth.  There is the real truth.  Neither of us can claim that third. Maybe if we talk, we’ll both get closer.

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Posted: 02 January 2012 10:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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Dennis Campbell - 02 January 2012 08:41 AM

The worst are those who follow up their “instruction” with requests for money.  In small, unmarked notes, please.  And make it a weekly donation.

I’ve tried that.  So far, have not received a dime.  Ungrateful people!

Did you accompany your instruction with threatening language, could be where your going wrong..

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