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Posted: 13 December 2011 03:27 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Posted: 13 December 2011 06:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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As long as he wins, he’ll be on top of the world. If he stops winning, he’ll be Tebowing out.

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Posted: 13 December 2011 10:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Were Tebow a Muslim who rolled out a prayer rug after every touchdown pass he’d have an NFL contract.

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Posted: 14 December 2011 06:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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While ‘god’ was listening to Tebow’s prayers for NFL victory, children were starving, women being raped, people beheaded for sorcery, and executed for witchcraft.

/shrug

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Posted: 14 December 2011 08:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Tebow is a great athlete and an intellectual fuckwit.

Anything else?

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Posted: 14 December 2011 09:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Jefe - 14 December 2011 06:34 AM

While ‘god’ was listening to Tebow’s prayers for NFL victory, children were starving, women being raped, people beheaded for sorcery, and executed for witchcraft.

/shrug

I’m sure his god has a good excuse for all that.

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Posted: 14 December 2011 03:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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As an athlete in the public eye, is he out of line for being so outspoken about his Christianity? Is the media at fault for making too much out of it?


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Posted: 14 December 2011 03:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Skipshot - 14 December 2011 09:26 AM
Jefe - 14 December 2011 06:34 AM

While ‘god’ was listening to Tebow’s prayers for NFL victory, children were starving, women being raped, people beheaded for sorcery, and executed for witchcraft.

/shrug

I’m sure his god has a good excuse for all that.


Exactly. Tim’s ability to raise public consciousness of Christianity will ultimately result in more good than bad. So they’ll say.


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Posted: 15 December 2011 01:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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He is a deeply religious person who is not ashamed to show in public what he believes in private.

Should a gay couple deeply in love for each other be ashamed to show it in public? And if they do show it, and the world notices, should they stop?

And as far as God being concerned about a football game when people are suffering—well, look up the definition of omnipotent, and you will discover that God, if he is God has the power to multi-task.

This limited thinking on God, with the added element of righteous indignation about the suffering in the world going unnoticed and unaided, amounts to a big pile of dung.

God, if he is God, not only notices the suffering in the world, but gives to us the power to endure it.

Furthermore, God, if he is God, does all he can, without violating our freedom and the dictates of truth, to keep us from suffering.

But you people know better than God, even if he is God. You would have created a different world.

You would have created a light without a dark, a good without an evil, a joy without a sadness.

Yeah, you would have been great.

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TheBrotherMario - 15 December 2011 01:52 PM

He is a deeply religious person who is not ashamed to show in public what he believes in private.

Should a gay couple deeply in love for each other be ashamed to show it in public? And if they do show it, and the world notices, should they stop?

And as far as God being concerned about a football game when people are suffering—well, look up the definition of omnipotent, and you will discover that God, if he is God has the power to multi-task.

This limited thinking on God, with the added element of righteous indignation about the suffering in the world going unnoticed and unaided, amounts to a big pile of dung.

God, if he is God, not only notices the suffering in the world, but gives to us the power to endure it.

Furthermore, God, if he is God, does all he can, without violating our freedom and the dictates of truth, to keep us from suffering.

But you people know better than God, even if he is God. You would have created a different world.

You would have created a light without a dark, a good without an evil, a joy without a sadness.

Yeah, you would have been great.


If your god told you to kill your own child, would you do it?

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Posted: 16 December 2011 01:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Its a free country. As least on paper.  I think the KKK proved how well it works to let people speak their peace. Just like Westboro and Michelle Backmann. Let em have at it. The more they flap their lips the more they look like nincompoops.Soon as you tell them they can’t say or do that, they become martyr for a cause.

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Posted: 16 December 2011 05:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Mr. Ron, answer this question: If Sam Harris asked you to sell your house, uproot your family, and go into a religious country in order to spread secularism, would you do it?

You see, my question is valid because the value and truth of something is in direct correlation to the amount of sacrifice and fervor it generates.

Your question is invalid because it presumes that the voice of God is something the believer is waiting for to act.

God’s “word” is the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus, which millions of people have heard and then went and did the above sacrifice I mention.

That you ignore this “word” and think you have found some loophole to religious belief is self-serving nonsense. Your high school education is showing.

And so much for secularism being valuable and true.

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Posted: 16 December 2011 06:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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TheBrotherMario - 16 December 2011 05:27 AM

Mr. Ron, answer this question: If Sam Harris asked you to sell your house, uproot your family, and go into a religious country in order to spread secularism, would you do it?

You see, my question is valid because the value and truth of something is in direct correlation to the amount of sacrifice and fervor it generates.

Your question is invalid because it presumes that the voice of God is something the believer is waiting for to act.

God’s “word” is the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus, which millions of people have heard and then went and did the above sacrifice I mention.

That you ignore this “word” and think you have found some loophole to religious belief is self-serving nonsense. Your high school education is showing.

And so much for secularism being valuable and true.


Your continued avoidance of a simple question is indicative of the inner struggle you experience when presented with this scenario (a scenario that the biblical Abraham was presented with and was able to act on according to his beliefs). If you were as confident in your beliefs and in your personal knowledge of God as you claim (a God you have previously claimed to have personally experienced/communicated with), then you would have no problem answering with a simple yes or no. But deep down, you are troubled by this scenario because it reveals some ugly truths about religion and about your God (and perhaps about yourself). So much for beliefs in invisible magic sky daddys being valuable, true, or any kind of moral compass.

Now back to the topic at hand.


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Posted: 16 December 2011 06:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Jezuz_Alrighty - 16 December 2011 01:34 AM

Its a free country. As least on paper.  I think the KKK proved how well it works to let people speak their peace. Just like Westboro and Michelle Backmann. Let em have at it. The more they flap their lips the more they look like nincompoops.Soon as you tell them they can’t say or do that, they become martyr for a cause.


Agree. But, how unbearable will the righteous become if Tebow leads his team to a Superbowl victory?? I can just imagine the ensuing rhetoric.

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Posted: 16 December 2011 08:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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TheBrotherMario - 15 December 2011 01:52 PM

He is a deeply religious person who is not ashamed to show in public what he believes in private.

Should a gay couple deeply in love for each other be ashamed to show it in public? And if they do show it, and the world notices, should they stop?

And as far as God being concerned about a football game when people are suffering—well, look up the definition of omnipotent, and you will discover that God, if he is God has the power to multi-task.

This limited thinking on God, with the added element of righteous indignation about the suffering in the world going unnoticed and unaided, amounts to a big pile of dung.

God, if he is God, not only notices the suffering in the world, but gives to us the power to endure it.

Furthermore, God, if he is God, does all he can, without violating our freedom and the dictates of truth, to keep us from suffering.

But you people know better than God, even if he is God. You would have created a different world.

You would have created a light without a dark, a good without an evil, a joy without a sadness.

Yeah, you would have been great.

True. God is doing all he can to stop suffering.  Pediatric brain cancer is just a myth.  rolleyes

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Posted: 16 December 2011 08:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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God has greatly caused more suffering than he has ever prevented. That is one of the reason why we think he does not exist, because a God would not be that violent and cruel to his own creations.

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