Celal - 21 October 2011 12:10 PM

Answerer - 21 October 2011 08:20 AM

I don’t appreciate your promotion of this anti-atheist drivel here, samy. Unlike you, I’m well aware of the other side.

Here is a message from someone who “actually” knows both sides.

You are not that different from Samy. Though he appears tolerant, hardly a representation of his side. You both represent intolerant sides. That much is a documented fact. You both call the oppositionists names. His side calls them kuffar, infidels; your side calls them something phobic ;xenophobic, Islamophobic; homophobic; racist; sexist; etc. It all amounts to the same thing. Inability to sustain a rational thought and quickly take refuge in name calling.

Your side also resort to violence to achieve its goals.  That is a historical fact. Same as Muslims.

So next time when you say you dont appreciate promotion of the other side, think again.

Often the application of a label is the best way to stop thinking.  No need to consider the details and distinctions, it’s all the same under the name.

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Sara, i hope you r so good

saralynn - 21 October 2011 05:51 AM

You never give up, do you, Samy? .

is that some thing good or bad?

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I read something that enlightened me in regard to the way Westerners think as opposed to Middle Easterners or other ethnic groups.  Westerners always emphasize individual freedom, while people from other countries emphasize social cohesion.  That is one reason why you are so puzzling to us and we are so puzzling to you.  From the social cohesion viewpoint, whipping adulterers makes sense because it endangers society, while to us, it is simply barbaric.  Same with religion.  Christianity has evolved into a personal religion in many ways…it’s all about the individuals’ personal relationship with Jesus.  In Islam, it is all about obeying laws and again…reinforcing social cohesion.  .

what i know and what i can see in my country, Islam first priority is the family (he call it the society stones), then the inviduals and finally the society, and in a healthy society tou will not find many differences between the three priorities

Thinking about this made me a little more tolerant, although I still remain impatient with tribal thinking, superstitions, and absence of objectivity. This applies to Christians as well as Muslims.  As I say over and over again, unless religions evolve into a more mature form of faith, they will cease to exist.  Sounds impossible, I know, because the times we live in are all that we have experienced, but life will be very different for our children and their children when the beliefs we hold so dear are looked at historically.

tolerance and patience are great human features, he is lucky who have them,
In fact “Atheism” is not a new religion it has long history, it’s listed in the Quran about some of the tribal pagan people at the time of the prophet, that type of thinking is not new,
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Y: Allah created the heavens and the earth for just ends, and in order that each soul may find the recompense of what it has earned, and none of them be wronged.
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Y: Then seest thou such a one as takes as his god his own vain desire? Allah has, knowing (him as such), left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart (and understanding), and put a cover on his sight. Who, then, will guide him after Allah (has withdrawn Guidance)? Will ye not then receive admonition?
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Y: And they say: “What is there but our life in this world? We shall die and we live, and nothing but time can destroy us.” But of that they have no knowledge: they merely conjecture:
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Y: And when Our Clear Signs are rehearsed to them their argument is nothing but this: They say, “Bring (back) our forefathers, if what ye say is true!”
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Y: Say: “It is Allah Who gives you life, then gives you death; then He will gather you together for the Day of Judgment about which there is no doubt”: But most men do not understand.
And I have no Idea, if you will consider the former USSR, Linen, Marks, Stalin,… were Atheists or no, they did a big mess in their country and the whole world,
If caring about the person’s family and society is a tribal thinking, then caring about the one’s lusts and desires and only it is the animal thinking,

have a nice day/night

burt - 21 October 2011 06:42 PM

Celal - 21 October 2011 12:10 PM

Answerer - 21 October 2011 08:20 AM

I don’t appreciate your promotion of this anti-atheist drivel here, samy. Unlike you, I’m well aware of the other side.

Here is a message from someone who “actually” knows both sides.

You are not that different from Samy. Though he appears tolerant, hardly a representation of his side. You both represent intolerant sides. That much is a documented fact. You both call the oppositionists names. His side calls them kuffar, infidels; your side calls them something phobic ;xenophobic, Islamophobic; homophobic; racist; sexist; etc. It all amounts to the same thing. Inability to sustain a rational thought and quickly take refuge in name calling.

Your side also resort to violence to achieve its goals.  That is a historical fact. Same as Muslims.

So next time when you say you dont appreciate promotion of the other side, think again.

Often the application of a label is the best way to stop thinking.  No need to consider the details and distinctions, it’s all the same under the name.

The details and distinctions have been considered, which is how I am able to arrive at my conclusion. Another conclusion is that, like wissler, Celal has nothing rational to add to the conversation.