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The standard Western reaction to a question like this is hilarity. Generally followed by more hilarity as various differences are mentioned.
For example:
Men always have to be right. Women are always right, and always know it.
Take my wife. .... Please.
Well, if you didn’t know before, you do now.
Cheers,
Poldano
That nails it. Humor, and being able to joke about differences is the best way there is to defuse tensions. Far better than isolation and restriction. We will know that the civil rights movement has finally succeeded when we can sit around in well mixed company and sway racial and ethnic jokes with humor, much laughter, and nobody feeling demeaned or insulted.
OK, what is the point you are making? Men and women are different. Yes. Fewer women are suited to be fire fighters than men because women are generally not as strong. But there are some women fire fighters who do a fine job. Good for them! And most men don’t like to dance ballet, but some do, and they are appreciated.
The point is that one sex is not better than the other. Different does not mean better/worse. Men are, in general, more suited for certain activities, and women for others. This is a generalization, however. It is good to let each particular man or woman use his/her talents.
I suspect that among men as a group there is a greater span of difference than there is between the “average” man and the “average” woman. For example, let’s say the average man is 5’9” tall, and the average woman is 5’6” tall. That’s an average difference of 3”. But there are men who are shorter than 5’ and men who are taller than 7’. Does this vast difference justify a different treatment within the class? No (other than making different sized clothes, etc.). Same would go for weight, strength, intelligence, etc. Similarly, the average difference between men and women should not form a basis for discrimination, generally (well, maybe there should be more women’s restrooms). There are some women taller that most men, and some women smarter than most men, etc.
I don’t think it is a joke for samy. When talking about evolution he mentioned that humans living near water might “develop” scales so that they could swim more efficiently and these scaly-humans would then become a dominant new species. And he didn’t mean that the scales would develop over millions of years but almost like magic over night. This is seriously the level of his understanding I believe. With thoughts like that floating around in his confused brain it’s no wonder he is having trouble trying to comprehend the science of evolution!
On the other hand Poldano if it was a joke at least there would be some hope for the islammic world if just one person from their community in Egypt was able to have a laugh at the expense of a few serious-minded atheists in North America. That would really be funny!
I don’t think it is a joke for samy. When talking about evolution he mentioned that humans living near water might “develop” scales so that they could swim more efficiently and these scaly-humans would then become a dominant new species. And he didn’t mean that the scales would develop over millions of years but almost like magic over night. This is seriously the level of his understanding I believe. With thoughts like that floating around in his confused brain it’s no wonder he is having trouble trying to comprehend the science of evolution!
On the other hand Poldano if it was a joke at least there would be some hope for the islammic world if just one person from their community in Egypt was able to have a laugh at the expense of a few serious-minded atheists in North America. That would really be funny!
Very true. It is no Joke!
Samy has been brought up to believe Women are “deficient in intelligence” because his Prophet said so in the Hadiths which Muslims revere as it documents the example of Muhammad.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 24, Number 541:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri
“I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you” ... referring to Women.
It is the reason why there are 40 or so misogynistic verses in their holy book. It is why in Islam, Women’s testimony is worth half that of man?
”... get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women...” Quran 2:282
and also why Women’s rights to inheritance and testimony are half (Quran 4:11-12) that of Men.
Ultimately, why the ...
” Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband’s) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, beat them ; but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all). ” Quran 4:34
OK, what is the point you are making? Men and women are different. Yes. Fewer women are suited to be fire fighters than men because women are generally not as strong. But there are some women fire fighters who do a fine job. Good for them! And most men don’t like to dance ballet, but some do, and they are appreciated.
The point is that one sex is not better than the other. Different does not mean better/worse. Men are, in general, more suited for certain activities, and women for others. This is a generalization, however. It is good to let each particular man or woman use his/her talents.
I swear, non of them is better than the other.
I swear too, not the strong hansom smart man is better than the others, nor the pretty woman is better than the non-pretty.
The differentiation between people not by shape , wealth, color, nationality, education level, ………, while it have to be by their good deeds, how he/she scarifies for the others, in fact it’s some thing in the heart. is that right?
OK, what is the point you are making? Men and women are different. Yes. Fewer women are suited to be fire fighters than men because women are generally not as strong. But there are some women fire fighters who do a fine job. Good for them! And most men don’t like to dance ballet, but some do, and they are appreciated.
The point is that one sex is not better than the other. Different does not mean better/worse. Men are, in general, more suited for certain activities, and women for others. This is a generalization, however. It is good to let each particular man or woman use his/her talents.
one great general role:
“Men are, in general, more suited for certain activities, and women for others.” any objections
The differentiation between people not by shape , wealth, color, nationality, education level, ………, while it have to be by their good deeds, how he/she scarifies for the others, in fact it’s some thing in the heart. is that right?
Out of curioisity, I just looked up the average heights of males in the United States and males in Egypt. Alas, The Egyptians, whose average height is 172.3 (5’6”-5’8”) is far inferior to American males, which is 177.3 (5’9”)
Obviously, American men would make better soldiers, pilots, firemen or anything involving physical abilities. Studies have also indicated that there is a correlation between height and intelligence, so Egyptian men lose out again.
Based on this information, I draw the obvious conclusion that Egyptain men should not be considered equal to their American counterparts. Yes, they are adept at certain tasks, perhaps requiring maneuverability and activities like folk dancing, but, on the whole, they are not as qualified as Americans in terms of intellectual or physical competence.
Furthermore, because of these differences, I think it would be better for all concerned if Egyptian men were protected and sheltered by American men because of these inferiorities and be required to wear purple togas to camoflauge their physical deficiencies and also protect them. Seeing diminutive men sometimes elicits taunts and aggression from larger men. This is based on biological and evolutionary factors related to “pecking order”, but the smaller men must be held responsible for evoking these responses from larger men. In addition to this, why waste an education on these intellectually inferior fellows? If they are good at dancing…fine, but, since they can never compete on the world market compared to their taller rivals, if would make more sense for them to assume subserviant positions which are more aligned to their lower (pun intended) status.
Don’t think for a second think their services would not be appreciated by the taller men they serve. Everyone recognizes that these differences are just the way Allah made us.
OK, what is the point you are making? Men and women are different. Yes. Fewer women are suited to be fire fighters than men because women are generally not as strong. But there are some women fire fighters who do a fine job. Good for them! And most men don’t like to dance ballet, but some do, and they are appreciated.
The point is that one sex is not better than the other. Different does not mean better/worse. Men are, in general, more suited for certain activities, and women for others. This is a generalization, however. It is good to let each particular man or woman use his/her talents.
I swear, non of them is better than the other.
I swear too, not the strong hansom smart man is better than the others, nor the pretty woman is better than the non-pretty.
The differentiation between people not by shape , wealth, color, nationality, education level, ………, while it have to be by their good deeds, how he/she scarifies for the others, in fact it’s some thing in the heart. is that right?
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SAMY: I swear too, not the strong hansom smart man is better than the others
What rubbish!
Of course strong handsome men are preferable. You can’t get away with that, Samy. Not while I’m here. I have a level of expertise and a wealth of experience in this area that you could only dream about.
Out of curioisity, I just looked up the average heights of males in the United States and males in Egypt. Alas, The Egyptians, whose average height is 172.3 (5’6”-5’8”) is far inferior to American males, which is 177.3 (5’9”)
Obviously, American men would make better soldiers, pilots, firemen or anything involving physical abilities. Studies have also indicated that there is a correlation between height and intelligence, so Egyptian men lose out again.
Based on this information, I draw the obvious conclusion that Egyptain men should not be considered equal to their American counterparts. Yes, they are adept at certain tasks, perhaps requiring maneuverability and activities like folk dancing, but, on the whole, they are not as qualified as Americans in terms of intellectual or physical competence.
Furthermore, because of these differences, I think it would be better for all concerned if Egyptian men were protected and sheltered by American men because of these inferiorities and be required to wear purple togas to camoflauge their physical deficiencies and also protect them. Seeing diminutive men sometimes elicits taunts and aggression from larger men. This is based on biological and evolutionary factors related to “pecking order”, but the smaller men must be held responsible for evoking these responses from larger men. In addition to this, why waste an education on these intellectually inferior fellows? If they are good at dancing…fine, but, since they can never compete on the world market compared to their taller rivals, if would make more sense for them to assume subserviant positions which are more aligned to their lower (pun intended) status.
Don’t think for a second think their services would not be appreciated by the taller men they serve. Everyone recognizes that these differences are just the way Allah made us.
Bravo! Artfully done Saralynn!
I especially liked this part: ...but the smaller men must be held responsible for evoking these responses from larger men.
Why we don’t have a mixed football or soccer or boxing, ...... , completions until now?
Where the women team plays versus the male team or even mixed teams with each other.
The women are playing alone far away from men and vise versa.
Do sports still have some type of separations/non-equalities?
Why not only held the competition and how ever chooses what ever?
Why forbidden the very simple freedom role of having the choice?
like drive a car, work in an office or in any jobsite, walk down the street with any man, dress without covering their bodies completely, enter a mosque, etc.. In islam women are prohibited and restricted for intellectual reasons, not because they are physically less powerful than men.
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can zen, who told you so?
she have the right to drive cars and buses too in 56 out of 57 of the Islamic ruled countries, while this subject is arguable only in Saudi Arabia.
She and Heee too, “both” can work in any office while with the restriction, for both” not a male and a female ” alone in a closed place,
She and He too, “both” have the same restriction to walk with any one of the same sex or a relative of the opposite sex.
On the contrary, she have all the right to attend the Masjeeds, and talk and ask.
give me a chance!!
Can zen, if we have agreed there are differences, and each sex have a relative advantages, can we mention the main career categories that best meet with these advantages.
Samy:
Can zen, if we have agreed there are differences, and each sex have a relative advantages, can we mention the main career categories that best meet with these advantages.
There are differences, but there is overlap. As I said before, some women are strong enough to be fire fighters. Should we prohibit all women from being fire fighters because the average woman is not as strong? Why do we have to have “categories”? Can’t each individual just find what is best for him/herself?
[ Edited: 09 September 2011 03:43 PM by hannahfriend ]
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Brilliant!
