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Let’s assume that we are at the last semester in medicine collage and we had the task of:
‘What are the main differences between man and woman?”
Plz don’t try to jump up to conclusions, specially the nice women, just fair academic points of view.
If some one can help to put the main probable branches,
Physical (tall- weight – power – skeleton – bones - )
Psychological (emotions- )
Harmonically ( )
Multiplication system ( )
Age ( )
and then we can put the deference in its respective branch
physically
Man average tall is 173
Woman average tall is 163
The man have relatively more dense and stronger bones.
Let’s assume that we are at the last semester in medicine collage and we had the task of:
‘What are the main differences between man and woman?”
Plz don’t try to jump up to conclusions, specially the nice women, just fair academic points of view.
If some one can help to put the main probable branches,
Physical (tall- weight – power – skeleton – bones - )
Psychological (emotions- )
Harmonically ( )
Multiplication system ( )
Age ( )
and then we can put the deference in its respective branch
physically
Man average tall is 173
Woman average tall is 163
The man have relatively more dense and stronger bones.
what else?
Apparently women are better stock traders than men. This was the gist of a news story that appeared a couple of weeks ago. Women tend to be more rational and objective in trading while men tended to rush to buy or sell based on panic.
I would ask what is the point of listing these obvious differences but I’m sure it has to do with trying to justify Islam’s view of women as slaves and whores from god.
why the women is rarely being chosen for some harsh?
why we don’t have fighter/acrobatic pilots women? what are the main factors/criteria to pick up a fighter/acrobatic pilot?
why the women is rarely being chosen for some harsh?
Cultural limitations/social barriers. In western societies, women choose their path, they don’t have them chosen for them by a patriarchal society.
In western societies, where women are free to choose their own level of education and seek jobs that are rewarding to them, there are women performing ‘harsh jobs’.
samy_73 - 08 September 2011 06:09 AM
why we don’t have fighter/acrobatic pilots women? what are the main factors/criteria to pick up a fighter/acrobatic pilot?
Let’s assume that we are at the last semester in medicine collage and we had the task of:
‘What are the main differences between man and woman?”
Plz don’t try to jump up to conclusions, specially the nice women, just fair academic points of view.
If some one can help to put the main probable branches,
Physical (tall- weight – power – skeleton – bones - )
Psychological (emotions- )
Harmonically ( )
Multiplication system ( )
Age ( )
and then we can put the deference in its respective branch
physically
Man average tall is 173
Woman average tall is 163
The man have relatively more dense and stronger bones.
what else?
Apparently women are better stock traders than men. This was the gist of a news story that appeared a couple of weeks ago. Women tend to be more rational and objective in trading while men tended to rush to buy or sell based on panic.
While the men care more about the main and general points, the whole view. Women care more about the details.
Although I never saw that as a problem, my wife still giving me hard times about the 2 centimeter short curtain we had 9 years ago!!
But sure, She is right ;-)
why the women is rarely being chosen for some harsh?
Cultural limitations/social barriers. In western societies, women choose their path, they don’t have them chosen for them by a patriarchal society.
In western societies, where women are free to choose their own level of education and seek jobs that are rewarding to them, there are women performing ‘harsh jobs’.
samy_73 - 08 September 2011 06:09 AM
why we don’t have fighter/acrobatic pilots women? what are the main factors/criteria to pick up a fighter/acrobatic pilot?
In fact I mentioned the word “rarely being chosen”, and your sites prove exactly the same. One in USA, one in Pakistan, two in Canada.
In fact to prove the opposite it needs more logic points, some thing like that:
The USA have about 5000 fighter aircrafts that requires almost 15000 fighter pilots. The USA air force employee almost 14975 male fighter pilots, while it employee only 39.5 female pilots.
The percentage will be 300 : 1, which gives the indication that there are no capable female fighters or there is some kinds of injustice in choosing the fighters. Correct me
Let’s try to be objective, what is the difference
The capability to withstand the G-factor (+6/-3)? or the concentration endurance? or the high smart response? or the brave heart? higher medical fittness? the ability to bear high rates of fear? or the lack of mercy emotions?….. or all of them?
The next extension is special to “jefe”
Or something like that: where you can hear the sixties thick voice announcers were broadcasting:
“Our air forces completed 300,000 flight hours in the last Iraqi conflict. 299,999 hours of them had been accomplished by our male fighters, while 0.001 hours had been made by our outstanding brave and strong female fighters”
Here you are just imitating the eastern patriarchal society?
Here you are just imitating the eastern patriarchal society?
TO begin with samy, you want us (the Western perspective) to admit that there are significant differences between males and females both physically and psychologically/emotionally, so that you can then assert that ‘treating them differently” is warranted by your culture/religion. Perhaps you have not properly understood where the problem is with Islam and that problem is that the males in positions of power demand that females must conform to certain rules and standards which the males are not required to follow.
The part I have placed in bold is where the inhumanity exists. You seem to be under the impression that the women of islam agree with these sexist policies (that there are behaviours that women are forbidden from doing). OK, they (women) are not naturally inclined to be fighter pilots, but the problem within islam is that they are forbidden from wanting to be fighter pilots! Even if the USA has only .001% of enlisted persons consisting of female fighter pilots, that is irrelevant, the fact is that women themselves are free to choose to become fighter pilots, the fact is that very few of them choose that as a career because for whatever reason they don’t feel themselves suited to that occupation.
The difference that makes all the difference here samy is that in the West we don’t forbid people outright from making their own decisions, while in islam that is just the way people are forced to live. In islam people are commanded to follow rules in spite of how they feel about those rules and even if those rules tend to reflect the natural tendencies of gender differences overall that is irrelevant.
The point of it all is whether people are free or not, it has nothing to do with sex-related differences or how males are different from females. As soon as you start treating men and women differently by an appeal to an wuthority (allah), there is the risk that one of the sexes will assume the superior position in the culture, and usually those who enforce the authoritative demands (men in islam) are accepted as the superior gender . . . and that’s a huge problem. There’s a level of treating all human beings with the same moral standards with regard to freedom and capability, islam does not live up to that basic moral level. Even if you (men) think you are treating women as they should “naturally” be treated, the very idea that the men command women is obnoxious and deeply immoral (or inhumane to put it another way).
Of course you can rationalize your sexist system by saying that it is “Allah’s will” and not the character of the men of islam that demands of women to be submissive to the rules of the religion. But you also recognize that all kinds of atrocities and inhuman behaviour has been traditionally sanctioned by submissions to the “powers of god” - to use traditional christianity as an example. Invoking god/Allah does not excuse behaviour that is freedom denying and constricting for the true human condition, it just goes to show what a “small-minded” deity one is enslaved under (supported only by the words of mere mortal men).
The percentage will be 300 : 1, which gives the indication that there are no capable female fighters or there is some kinds of injustice in choosing the fighters. Correct me
It’s not people being chosen, it’s people choosing their careers.
Now you’re getting it, samy boy. It’s all about playing catch-up. Don’t worry though, we still do it here in many ways, down to how to use the penis (xy) and vagina (xx). In the battle of the sexes, many still don’t approve of duplicate use. But we can even change ‘em out now, or buy artificial ones, you know. We can make test tube babies but still need sperm and ova with all their specificities. Not far off in the future, babies will be able to go full term outside the body. On the scale of things, there will still always be women who can kick your ass. Isn’t that humiliating? Of course, unless you’re a submissive or masochist. American men are doing more housework and childcare now. But attitudes about who brings in the money or significantly more of it is still a marriage stopper/breaker.
We can discuss the conclusions later
Really, really I want to know for knowledge only, for now,
Do the women response is slower than the man in emergency situations?
In fact while taking videos of our 2 and 4 years old sons while swimming in the kid’s pool, the older one pushed the younger to be upside down. Although I had the cam, I respond faster than my wife rescuing the kid, while she was still screaming. Does that prove that I’m superman?
Why we don’t have a mixed football or soccer or boxing, ...... , completions until now?
Where the women team plays versus the male team or even mixed teams with each other.
The women are playing alone far away from men and vise versa.
Do sports still have some type of separations/non-equalities?
Why not only held the competition and how ever chooses what ever?
Why forbidden the very simple freedom role of having the choice?
OK, what is the point you are making? Men and women are different. Yes. Fewer women are suited to be fire fighters than men because women are generally not as strong. But there are some women fire fighters who do a fine job. Good for them! And most men don’t like to dance ballet, but some do, and they are appreciated.
The point is that one sex is not better than the other. Different does not mean better/worse. Men are, in general, more suited for certain activities, and women for others. This is a generalization, however. It is good to let each particular man or woman use his/her talents.
Why we don’t have a mixed football or soccer or boxing, ...... , completions until now?
Where the women team plays versus the male team or even mixed teams with each other.
The women are playing alone far away from men and vise versa.
Do sports still have some type of separations/non-equalities?
Why not only held the competition and how ever chooses what ever?
Why forbidden the very simple freedom role of having the choice?
So here you have picked certain Westsern activities where there are enforced rules that specifically exclude women from competing directly against men or with men in mixed teams . . . and your are making the analigy that this is how islam operates? I can see the similarities but if you consider it reasonably samy, a woman playing American football or ice hockey with/against men would just be ridiculous because of the physical differences between the two, but this doesn’t have anything to do with the innate abilities of women versus men. If women played with men they would be crushed to death by the mere impact of their bodies with the bodies of the larger, stronger men, but come on, islam is about restricting women in their everyday lives from doing things that any human being has the innate capacity to do like drive a car, work in an office or in any jobsite, walk down the street with any man, dress without covering their bodies completely, enter a mosque, etc.. In islam women are prohibited and restricted for intellectual reasons, not because they are physically less powerful than men.
By prohibiting women from participating in the normal, everyday aspects of life, the muslim men are the ones who control the actual life-activities of women, and this is completely immoral. To treat the women different than the men at an intellectual level is an affront to their human dignity and also it degrades the human value of the men because they are not taught to see how all human beings, regardless of their sexual identity, should be given equal treatment.
