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Posted: 06 September 2011 01:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 61 ]
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I’m glad you got it, Samy. I now have it in Arabic ( سخرية أو تهكم ) if I should ever need it. However, when I looked it up I got سْتِهْزاء; تَهَكُّم; سُخْرِيَة

تجاهل سخرية سخرية الأقدار

and السخرية

Which is correct? In English, irony is a rhetorical device that often exhibits an implied discrepancy between what is said and what is meant. For example you might say to someone waiting for a bus in the pouring rain. “Lovely weather.”  So which of the Arabic words above correspond to that meaning?

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Posted: 06 September 2011 05:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 62 ]
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Die fröhliche Wissenschaft (Rob) - 06 September 2011 01:35 AM

I’m glad you got it, Samy. I now have it in Arabic ( سخرية أو تهكم ) if I should ever need it. However, when I looked it up I got سْتِهْزاء; تَهَكُّم; سُخْرِيَة

تجاهل سخرية سخرية الأقدار

and السخرية

Which is correct? In English, irony is a rhetorical device that often exhibits an implied discrepancy between what is said and what is meant. For example you might say to someone waiting for a bus in the pouring rain. “Lovely weather.”  So which of the Arabic words above correspond to that meaning?

yes, you are right, and your Arabic hand writing seems great too, with respect to, it is your first time!!!!
i think we are can chat in Arabic now!!!

in fact i can see all of them are near, while تجاهل is ” to ignore” just not exactly like them

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Posted: 06 September 2011 05:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 63 ]
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samy_73 - 31 August 2011 04:44 AM

Thanks, guys
Thanks for those whom proved they can tolerate the others, in fact there have to be the others. Even if the whole world converted to atheists, they will be different in judging what is moral and what isn’t. And if hey gathered on that, they will be different in colors. While if they gathered on that they will be different in other thing. They have to be different and different. The point is how to deal with the different.

If you decide to have an atheism feast, I think, I’ll have no problem congratulating you.

Oh man…. lmfao.

Did anyone else fall off their chair reading this laughingstock?

“Convert” to atheists.

“atheism feast”. I wonder what the fuck an “atheism feast” is. This guy is hilarious.


Btw, samy, where exactly did you “learn” about evolution? And if Islam and science come into conflict, it certainly is indicative of a fault within Islam. Science is a way of understanding the observing the natural world and the only robust way to understand REALITY. If your mythological islamic ramblings contradict reality, then by definition your religion is falsified. The story of Adam and Eve alone is enough to falsify the entirely of your religious texts, because it is impossible for the human race to have descended from 2 human beings. There is too much genetic variation. This is why the overwhelming majority of worldclass scientists with an education and research experience today utterly reject creationism.

And please don’t talk to us about the “media”. The media in your country is fucking horrible as are the educational institutions that brainwashed you with pseudoscience and an Islamic bias. If you want to get a serious education on evolution, instead of one perverted by imams and various religious clerics, I would suggest starting here:

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/evolution/evolution-resources-t402.html

The evidence for evolution is overwhelming. “Unproven” is a gross misstatement preached by those whom have wasted most of their life with a religious education and have never taken an objective look at the issue. At this point, denying the theory of evolution is tantamount to denying the theory of gravitation. If you are serious in trying to discuss evolution, I suggest you THOROUGHLY look through the resources that are provided in that link. If you have any specific quips with evolution afterwards, you are more than welcome to bring them up, but if you do not have a basic understanding of the mechanisms involved or knowledge of the available breadth of evidence, then you are not qualified to assert that evolution is somehow invalidated by your religion.

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Posted: 06 September 2011 11:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 64 ]
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bioeng - 06 September 2011 05:04 PM
samy_73 - 31 August 2011 04:44 AM

Thanks, guys
Thanks for those whom proved they can tolerate the others, in fact there have to be the others. Even if the whole world converted to atheists, they will be different in judging what is moral and what isn’t. And if hey gathered on that, they will be different in colors. While if they gathered on that they will be different in other thing. They have to be different and different. The point is how to deal with the different.

If you decide to have an atheism feast, I think, I’ll have no problem congratulating you.

Oh man…. lmfao.

Did anyone else fall off their chair reading this laughingstock?

“Convert” to atheists.

“atheism feast”. I wonder what the fuck an “atheism feast” is. This guy is hilarious.


Btw, samy, where exactly did you “learn” about evolution? And if Islam and science come into conflict, it certainly is indicative of a fault within Islam. Science is a way of understanding the observing the natural world and the only robust way to understand REALITY. If your mythological islamic ramblings contradict reality, then by definition your religion is falsified. The story of Adam and Eve alone is enough to falsify the entirely of your religious texts, because it is impossible for the human race to have descended from 2 human beings. There is too much genetic variation. This is why the overwhelming majority of worldclass scientists with an education and research experience today utterly reject creationism.

And please don’t talk to us about the “media”. The media in your country is fucking horrible as are the educational institutions that brainwashed you with pseudoscience and an Islamic bias. If you want to get a serious education on evolution, instead of one perverted by imams and various religious clerics, I would suggest starting here:

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/evolution/evolution-resources-t402.html

The evidence for evolution is overwhelming. “Unproven” is a gross misstatement preached by those whom have wasted most of their life with a religious education and have never taken an objective look at the issue. At this point, denying the theory of evolution is tantamount to denying the theory of gravitation. If you are serious in trying to discuss evolution, I suggest you THOROUGHLY look through the resources that are provided in that link. If you have any specific quips with evolution afterwards, you are more than welcome to bring them up, but if you do not have a basic understanding of the mechanisms involved or knowledge of the available breadth of evidence, then you are not qualified to assert that evolution is somehow invalidated by your religion.

hey, bioeng
have been you to the military before, some thing like company sergeant?
Right, .. left, …right,…..,….., right,……, hey you …you why don’t you follow the military marching roles!! 20 pushing ups.
What is the fatal problem of congratulating the others? Yes, we are different, and will be different not in beliefs only but in many other things. How to deal with that fact??...calm down and be friendly.
Really if you have an Atheism feast, I won’t hesitate congratulating you.

And again try to stop f…. up every thing, it’s useless.
I didn’t have my education by imams or religious people, but pure science. I have no statistics but I doubt that all the scientists are atheist, not a Moslem or Christian or Jew or Hindu or Shinto or…. scientest, do you have any reasonable statistics? Or get search the utube “scientists convert to Islam” and tell me how many did you find?
Oh my god, you pushed me here……

Why not Adam and Eve had all the probable varieties of human features in their genes (as the most rich genes). While after the people spread out to different areas and conditions, each sect of people tended to have the most desirable/stronger genes that make their life easier (natural selection), is that possible burt?

I’ll look through that site, I promise. Since I’m not English speaker, it may take longer time of me. While to make my task easier, just, in main bold lines, try to answer that question,
Do You think, one day, we will get up in the morning to find the news talks about that town on the sea shower, whose people like to swim too much, the whole people began to have fish scales on their skin to have lower water resistance. Or they may have 2 more fingers in their hands to have higher driving force during swimming?
Or I may get up to find my wife turned to a new species? or to have a son that will be a new speces?
I can’t imagine how a new species will evolve from an old one? can you explain that to me.
Have a nice day

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Posted: 07 September 2011 08:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 65 ]
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samy_73 - 06 September 2011 11:51 PM

Why not Adam and Eve had all the probable varieties of human features in their genes (as the most rich genes). While after the people spread out to different areas and conditions, each sect of people tended to have the most desirable/stronger genes that make their life easier (natural selection), is that possible burt?

I’ll look through that site, I promise. Since I’m not English speaker, it may take longer time of me. While to make my task easier, just, in main bold lines, try to answer that question,
Do You think, one day, we will get up in the morning to find the news talks about that town on the sea shower, whose people like to swim too much, the whole people began to have fish scales on their skin to have lower water resistance. Or they may have 2 more fingers in their hands to have higher driving force during swimming?
Or I may get up to find my wife turned to a new species? or to have a son that will be a new speces?
I can’t imagine how a new species will evolve from an old one? can you explain that to me.
Have a nice day

Well, the story of Adam and Eve is, from my perspective (as well as from the perspective of all scientists who study evolution) a myth that is not to be taken literally, but rather as describing certain aspects of human psychology as we enter the world as children.  The lineages of human descent have been pretty well mapped out, going back several million years. 

How does a species bifurcate into two species: one way is through geographic isolation.  If one population of a species comes to inhabit a different region than another, and there is no contact between the two then, over several thousands of years (or perhaps hundreds of thousands) genetic adaptations may have accumulated to the point that members of the two different groups are no longer able to interbreed.  The definition of a species requires the possibility of interbreeding between members, so by definition we now have two different species. 

Your swimming example isn’t valid as you state it, but there is clear evidence that whales were once land animals who returned to live in the ocean, with the serious adaptations that implies. 

BTW, sami, if you haven’t already realized that your wife (and all women) are really a different species….  wink

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Posted: 07 September 2011 01:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 66 ]
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samy_73 - 06 September 2011 11:51 PM

Why not Adam and Eve had all the probable varieties of human features in their genes (as the most rich genes). While after the people spread out to different areas and conditions, each sect of people tended to have the most desirable/stronger genes that make their life easier (natural selection), is that possible burt?

I’ll look through that site, I promise. Since I’m not English speaker, it may take longer time of me. While to make my task easier, just, in main bold lines, try to answer that question,
Do You think, one day, we will get up in the morning to find the news talks about that town on the sea shower, whose people like to swim too much, the whole people began to have fish scales on their skin to have lower water resistance. Or they may have 2 more fingers in their hands to have higher driving force during swimming?
Or I may get up to find my wife turned to a new species? or to have a son that will be a new speces?
I can’t imagine how a new species will evolve from an old one? can you explain that to me.
Have a nice day

 

BTW, sami, if you haven’t already realized that your wife (and all women) are really a different species….  wink

Are you kidding, a Moslem MAN supposes to be the fastest to realize that wink, because she don’t have a moustache not for any other reason.
While you inspired me with a new thread, that I like to share your and the others experiences to have a good information
‘What are the main differences between man and woman?”
I hope no one, specially the nice women, to misunderstand that, it’s just for knowledge.

Your swimming example isn’t valid as you state it, but there is clear evidence that whales were once land animals who returned to live in the ocean, with the serious adaptations that implies.

Plz, clear that to me,
Why man may not be modified- even small modifications- to have better performance in the water, while whales was an animals that totally converted to water life?
And what are the evidences for that?
Have a nice day

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[ O mankind! A similitude is coined, so pay ye heed to it: Lo! those on whom ye call beside Allah will never create a fly though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly took something from them, they could not rescue it from him. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought! *73*  They measure not Allah His rightful measure. Lo! Allah is Strong, almighty..*74*]          The Holy Quran,  Surah 22. Al-Hajj

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Posted: 07 September 2011 04:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 67 ]
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samy_73 - 07 September 2011 01:07 PM
burt - 07 September 2011 08:26 AM
samy_73 - 06 September 2011 11:51 PM

Why not Adam and Eve had all the probable varieties of human features in their genes (as the most rich genes). While after the people spread out to different areas and conditions, each sect of people tended to have the most desirable/stronger genes that make their life easier (natural selection), is that possible burt?

I’ll look through that site, I promise. Since I’m not English speaker, it may take longer time of me. While to make my task easier, just, in main bold lines, try to answer that question,
Do You think, one day, we will get up in the morning to find the news talks about that town on the sea shower, whose people like to swim too much, the whole people began to have fish scales on their skin to have lower water resistance. Or they may have 2 more fingers in their hands to have higher driving force during swimming?
Or I may get up to find my wife turned to a new species? or to have a son that will be a new speces?
I can’t imagine how a new species will evolve from an old one? can you explain that to me.
Have a nice day

 

BTW, sami, if you haven’t already realized that your wife (and all women) are really a different species….  wink

Are you kidding, a Moslem MAN supposes to be the fastest to realize that wink, because she don’t have a moustache not for any other reason.
While you inspired me with a new thread, that I like to share your and the others experiences to have a good information
‘What are the main differences between man and woman?”
I hope no one, specially the nice women, to misunderstand that, it’s just for knowledge.

Your swimming example isn’t valid as you state it, but there is clear evidence that whales were once land animals who returned to live in the ocean, with the serious adaptations that implies.

Plz, clear that to me,
Why man may not be modified- even small modifications- to have better performance in the water, while whales was an animals that totally converted to water life?
And what are the evidences for that?
Have a nice day

 

Here’s an example, having larger hands and webbed fingers would be an assist in swimming, but they would also be detrimental in many other areas.  If it happened that swimming became a really important condition of human survival, and swimming well gave a reproductive advantage then, over perhaps a few thousand generations, humans might developed larger hands with webbed fingers.  Generally, evolution takes time.  The only time we see it happening really fast is in things like the evolution of drug resistant bacteria and so on where the generation time is very short.  So think like an engineer: there are multiple genes that influence almost every trait, and in most cases there will be trade-offs involved.  Growing bigger hands and feet might be useful for swimming, but it would get in the way of many other things.  There are many many factors that get involved.

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Posted: 07 September 2011 09:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 68 ]
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samy_73 - 07 September 2011 01:07 PM

Plz, clear that to me,
Why man may not be modified- even small modifications- to have better performance in the water, while whales was an animals that totally converted to water life?

The answer is a combination of time, genetic mutations, and environment.  Do you know how many generations of a life form are in one million years?  Ten million years?  Long periods of time are difficult to grasp when your life span is averaged to be 75 years.  We think 2,000 years is a long time but to the Bristlecone Pine tree that is half their life span.  The Horseshoe Crab is little changed in 250 million years while nearly every other life form has come and gone.

I suspect your explanation is “Allah did it,” however that is not an explanation but instead an assertion.

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