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Posted: 12 August 2011 08:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 106 ]
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Sure you can say that about any procedure. But for something that condoms can do safer and more effectively, it is not an essential operation in the same sense as birth and surgery which are often imminent.

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Posted: 12 August 2011 08:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 107 ]
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And also, I have to call you out on vaccines! Certainly vaccines need not be compared to any surgery.

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Posted: 12 August 2011 10:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 108 ]
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I DENY - 12 August 2011 08:29 AM

And also, I have to call you out on vaccines! Certainly vaccines need not be compared to any surgery.

But are they safer if done by professionals in a clean environment?

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Posted: 12 August 2011 03:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 109 ]
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I’ll assume that’s a rhetorical question. I already stated that ANY procedure is safer in a clean and professional environment. You pointed out immunizations, surgery, and birth. Birth we can all agree, is certainly essential to being alive. Surgery is rarely undertaken(outside of the west) unless essential. Vaccines, in my opinion belong in another category. Ten cents for a new needle and swab is much more affordable than being in a hospital. Immunizations are also critical for those with compromised immunities who cannot be vaccinated. If some healthy people ignore vaccines, it makes it more dangerous for those who cannot even have one.

Your position on AIDS is an important one, and I recognize things such as transmittion in child birth. I also know you see condoms as only part of a broader issue, indeed. However, if you mean to say that circumcision is truly an essential procedure, then say it.

Suppose HIV/AIDS spread through different means(however absurd), a foot fungus perhaps. Would an acceptable first reaction honestly be to cut off all your toes? Not a very functional analogy, I know, but I think you’ll catch my meaning.

It remains my position that in-tact genitalia is a human right.

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Posted: 12 August 2011 04:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 110 ]
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GAD - 12 August 2011 12:18 AM
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What can a circumcised man do to simulate the experience of having a foreskin?

As far as I can tell I do every time I cum…........

Yes, this emphasis on the orgasm to the exclusion of everything leading up to it is notable in circumcised men, so much so here that I think GAD hasn’t actually understood the question.

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Posted: 05 September 2011 06:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 111 ]
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Shuggy - 11 August 2011 09:55 PM

What can a circumcised man do to simulate the experience of having a foreskin?

As far as I can tell I do every time I cum…........

Yes, this emphasis on the orgasm to the exclusion of everything leading up to it is notable in circumcised men, so much so here that I think GAD hasn’t actually understood the question.

The only people who make light of male genital mutilation are those within the culture of mutilation. The male ego is quite fragile, and must protect itself with reflexive defensiveness, or a reflexive making light of the cruel deed of genital cutting. Those from more ethical cultures recognize the barbarity and inherent cruelty of ALL unnecessary genital modification surgeries and are rightly appalled that we recklessly mutilate our sons.

There are more then enough men to offer more than a little substantiation to the claim that even orgasm is diminished. I, a cut male, can testify that ejaculation is not orgasm, nor is orgasm ejaculation. I have not had an orgasm in over 10 years, likely due to the fact that I lack the most sensitive part of the male genitalia.


Man who was forced to be mutilated at 17 years old with catastrophic reduction in sexual pleasure:

http://www.foreskin-restoration.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8903

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Posted: 05 September 2011 07:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 112 ]
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From the New Testament:

<< Galatians 5 >>
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1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

Paul actually advised against circumcision for Gentiles, which would include most of us.  Circumcision was part of the Old Covenant, and had nothing to do with the New Covenant in Christ.  If one wants to follow the NT teaching (which I realize does not include many people on this forum) one would not be circumcised. The only time Paul ever recommended circumcision was for Timothy, and that was for purely pragmatic considerations. There is no religious reason why a Christian should be circumcised.

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Posted: 05 September 2011 07:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 113 ]
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Ecurb Noselrub - 05 September 2011 07:22 PM

From the New Testament:

<< Galatians 5 >>
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1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

Paul actually advised against circumcision for Gentiles, which would include most of us.  Circumcision was part of the Old Covenant, and had nothing to do with the New Covenant in Christ.  If one wants to follow the NT teaching (which I realize does not include many people on this forum) one would not be circumcised. The only time Paul ever recommended circumcision was for Timothy, and that was for purely pragmatic considerations. There is no religious reason why a Christian should be circumcised.

Yes if you a Paulian there is no reason, cause Paul said so.

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Posted: 05 September 2011 07:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 114 ]
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Ecurb Noselrub - 05 September 2011 07:22 PM

From the New Testament:

<< Galatians 5 >>
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1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

Paul actually advised against circumcision for Gentiles, which would include most of us.  Circumcision was part of the Old Covenant, and had nothing to do with the New Covenant in Christ.  If one wants to follow the NT teaching (which I realize does not include many people on this forum) one would not be circumcised. The only time Paul ever recommended circumcision was for Timothy, and that was for purely pragmatic considerations. There is no religious reason why a Christian should be circumcised.

There is no religious reason why ANYONE should be circumcised. The current federal ban on all female genital cutting makes no allowances for religion. It should be applied towards males equally, as required by the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution.

Religious freedom means you must be free to chose your own religion. It also means that it must be illegal for anyone to mark you with their religion, as Jews and Muslims do to their male, and sometimes female children.

Banning circumcision supports religious freedom. Allowing the circumcision of minors infringes upon their religious freedom.

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Posted: 05 September 2011 07:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 115 ]
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GAD - 05 September 2011 07:43 PM
Ecurb Noselrub - 05 September 2011 07:22 PM

From the New Testament:

<< Galatians 5 >>
King James Version  
1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

Paul actually advised against circumcision for Gentiles, which would include most of us.  Circumcision was part of the Old Covenant, and had nothing to do with the New Covenant in Christ.  If one wants to follow the NT teaching (which I realize does not include many people on this forum) one would not be circumcised. The only time Paul ever recommended circumcision was for Timothy, and that was for purely pragmatic considerations. There is no religious reason why a Christian should be circumcised.

Yes if you a Paulian there is no reason, cause Paul said so.


Or if you have a well-working brain. Either way.

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Posted: 05 September 2011 08:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 116 ]
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GAD - 05 September 2011 07:43 PM
Ecurb Noselrub - 05 September 2011 07:22 PM

From the New Testament:

<< Galatians 5 >>
King James Version  
1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

Paul actually advised against circumcision for Gentiles, which would include most of us.  Circumcision was part of the Old Covenant, and had nothing to do with the New Covenant in Christ.  If one wants to follow the NT teaching (which I realize does not include many people on this forum) one would not be circumcised. The only time Paul ever recommended circumcision was for Timothy, and that was for purely pragmatic considerations. There is no religious reason why a Christian should be circumcised.

Yes if you a Paulian there is no reason, cause Paul said so.

I’m just giving extra reasons for not being circumcised. Remember, you are my treasurer, and I’m running for president, and we stand to make lots and lots of money if we convince any idi… ah, voters to vote for me.

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Posted: 05 September 2011 08:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 117 ]
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Hello Meteor - 05 September 2011 07:46 PM
GAD - 05 September 2011 07:43 PM
Ecurb Noselrub - 05 September 2011 07:22 PM

From the New Testament:

<< Galatians 5 >>
King James Version  
1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

Paul actually advised against circumcision for Gentiles, which would include most of us.  Circumcision was part of the Old Covenant, and had nothing to do with the New Covenant in Christ.  If one wants to follow the NT teaching (which I realize does not include many people on this forum) one would not be circumcised. The only time Paul ever recommended circumcision was for Timothy, and that was for purely pragmatic considerations. There is no religious reason why a Christian should be circumcised.

Yes if you a Paulian there is no reason, cause Paul said so.


Or if you have a well-working brain. Either way.

Don’t blame the world for your lack of aesthetics.

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Posted: 05 September 2011 08:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 118 ]
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Ecurb Noselrub - 05 September 2011 08:01 PM
GAD - 05 September 2011 07:43 PM
Ecurb Noselrub - 05 September 2011 07:22 PM

From the New Testament:

<< Galatians 5 >>
King James Version  
1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

Paul actually advised against circumcision for Gentiles, which would include most of us.  Circumcision was part of the Old Covenant, and had nothing to do with the New Covenant in Christ.  If one wants to follow the NT teaching (which I realize does not include many people on this forum) one would not be circumcised. The only time Paul ever recommended circumcision was for Timothy, and that was for purely pragmatic considerations. There is no religious reason why a Christian should be circumcised.

Yes if you a Paulian there is no reason, cause Paul said so.

I’m just giving extra reasons for not being circumcised. Remember, you are my treasurer, and I’m running for president, and we stand to make lots and lots of money if we convince any idi… ah, voters to vote for me.

Shit, OK, money, money, money, got it!

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Posted: 06 September 2011 02:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 119 ]
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GAD - 05 September 2011 08:02 PM

Don’t blame the world for your lack of aesthetics.

You have the last word on what beauty is? The world of art, culture and fashion lies at your feet!

(I would especially like to know what part of the Canon of Beauty deems that the male human prepuce alone among normal, healthy body parts falls short of that ideal, and on what basis that objective decision was reached.)

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Posted: 06 September 2011 07:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 120 ]
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GAD - 05 September 2011 08:02 PM

Don’t blame the world for your lack of aesthetics.

You have the last word on what beauty is? The world of art, culture and fashion lies at your feet!

(I would especially like to know what part of the Canon of Beauty deems that the male human prepuce alone among normal, healthy body parts falls short of that ideal, and on what basis that objective decision was reached.)

Only those who were cut, or those in a culture of mutilation ridicule the intact, normal, healthy looking penis. And it’s obvious why. Those that are cut rarely have the balls to come to grips with the reality of their situation.

The not mutilating parts of the world like a normal healthy penis. Cut penises look dry and dead. Whole ones look healthy.

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