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Ok let’s began reasoning again, about the 9_11. Do any body have an idea about:
1-What happened to the black boxes of the 4 airliners?
2-What was the defense arrangements for the Pentagon, which holds the most intelligent minds in the world and the most secret information, is it have a prohibited flying zone, man operated air defense (long, medium and short ranges) and/or the automatic AIM-7 ,sparrow, like that for the carriers?
3-How many cameras where there to monitor the building, what was their directions and what was there accuracy, and then compare that to Wall-mart.?
4- if there was any near by cameras belong to the any near by facility?
Ok let’s began reasoning again, about the 9_11. Do any body have an idea about:
1-What happened to the black boxes of the 4 airliners?
2-What was the defense arrangements for the Pentagon, which holds the most intelligent minds in the world and the most secret information, is it have a prohibited flying zone, man operated air defense (long, medium and short ranges) and/or the automatic AIM-7 ,sparrow, like that for the carriers?
3-How many cameras where there to monitor the building, what was their directions and what was there accuracy, and then compare that to Wall-mart.?
4- if there was any near by cameras belong to the any near by facility?
Samy, I don’t know anything about black boxes, Pentagon security arrangements, no-fly zones, sparrows or security cameras.
Would you please explain to me what you believe happened on 9/11. Also, please tell us what evidence you relied on to come to your opinion about 9/11. Please also tell us where that evidence came from.
Your clear answers to those 3 questions would be very revealing. Please try to keep your answers simple. Try using very short sentences so that your meaning is clear.
I said this once about another poster—sometimes “civility” is just an excuse to not get called out on spewing nonsense and worse. We’d already pretty much concluded that Samy is a religious fanatic, even though a relatively polite one; now he’s veering into this nonsense. It’s time to take the gloves off.
Samy, I didn’t lose anybody close to me on 9/11, but some friends of mine actually did. I have a friend who lost a family member, for example. I didn’t personally see the attacks, but several people I know did—I have friends who lived/worked in Arlington at the time, and some of them actually saw the plane hit the Pentagon.
Bottom line—screw you. This is wild-eyed conspiracy nonsense, and it doesn’t belong on a forum dedicated to reason. I realize I only speak for myself, but you have worn out your welcome here as far as I’m concerned.
Your loss of patience with samy is quite understandable, BRF.
I dunno why I’m bothering with the OP. I guess that when everyone else was so impressed with samy’s polite style I though I’d better try to be more civil. In the past I’ve always thought it best to just be up front and state one’s position without beating round the bush with nonsensical niceties. Samy’s thoughts on 9/11 are as you say - “wild-eyed conspiracy nonsense”. But I’m interested in the question of whether or not someone with his worldview could ever be made to look at things rationally. Would it matter what our approach was? Would diplomacy and measured discussion have any more success than a blow to the head? It’s doubtful.
Die fröhliche Wissenschaft - 14 July 2011 05:07 AM
Your loss of patience with samy is quite understandable, BRF.
I dunno why I’m bothering with the OP. I guess that when everyone else was so impressed with samy’s polite style I though I’d better try to be more civil. In the past I’ve always thought it best to just be up front and state one’s position without beating round the bush with nonsensical niceties. Samy’s thoughts on 9/11 are as you say - “wild-eyed conspiracy nonsense”. But I’m interested in the question of whether or not someone with his worldview could ever be made to look at things rationally. Would it matter what our approach was? Would diplomacy and measured discussion have any more success than a blow to the head? It’s doubtful.
Peace to you,
what is all of these machine guns?
Am I have to respond immediately? I don’t know
It’s 3:30 in my country I’m in my work, I don’t have a lot of time
Just reason for a while
OK, fine. Let’s do that. I’ll go first, since you’re unwilling to:
samy_73 - 14 July 2011 02:40 AM
Do any body have an idea about:
Yes; but since you seem to lack the basic ability to gather facts on your own:
samy_73 - 14 July 2011 02:40 AM
1-What happened to the black boxes of the 4 airliners?
Two of them were recovered, two were not. You do realize that two of these planes slammed into tall buildings hundreds of yards above ground level, at a speed of several hundred kilometers per hour?
samy_73 - 14 July 2011 02:40 AM
2-What was the defense arrangements for the Pentagon, which holds the most intelligent minds in the world and the most secret information, is it have a prohibited flying zone, man operated air defense (long, medium and short ranges) and/or the automatic AIM-7 ,sparrow, like that for the carriers?
Wait, are you seriously suggesting that the Pentagon should have had anti-aircraft missles? Are you serious?
samy_73 - 14 July 2011 02:40 AM
3-How many cameras where there to monitor the building, what was their directions and what was there accuracy, and then compare that to Wall-mart.?
Hey, guess what—information about the security system for the Pentagon isn’t necessarily freely available on the internet? Want to guess why? Here’s a hint—because it make it a lot easier to break into the Pentagon. The Pentagon, you might be interested to know, has slightly higher security concerns than the average Wal-Mart.
samy_73 - 14 July 2011 02:40 AM
4- if there was any near by cameras belong to the any near by facility?
What do you think, Samy? If you go to freaking YouTube, it takes all of ten seconds to learn that at least one hotel across the street caught some footage of the attack.
But there isn’t a whole lot available, despite the fact that the Pentagon has tons of cameras, and there are many other security cameras on buildings in Pentagon City across I-395. You want to know why? Because those cameras are pointed DOWN, Samy. Down, and horizontally. Because the reasonable assumption was that security threats would be arriving on foot or by vehicle. They were worried about suspicious vehicles in the parking lot and/or unauthorized people trying to get in the doors. There weren’t a whole cameras pointed UP because nobody really expected someone to fly a goddamned airplane into the building.
Now—YOUR TURN. What do YOU think? Man up, leave the Quran alone, and try and “reason” all by yourself.
Die fröhliche Wissenschaft - 14 July 2011 05:07 AM
Your loss of patience with samy is quite understandable, BRF.
I dunno why I’m bothering with the OP. I guess that when everyone else was so impressed with samy’s polite style I though I’d better try to be more civil. In the past I’ve always thought it best to just be up front and state one’s position without beating round the bush with nonsensical niceties. Samy’s thoughts on 9/11 are as you say - “wild-eyed conspiracy nonsense”. But I’m interested in the question of whether or not someone with his worldview could ever be made to look at things rationally. Would it matter what our approach was? Would diplomacy and measured discussion have any more success than a blow to the head? It’s doubtful.
Peace, die
Plz don’t talk about me as under experiment rate.
Take into account I’m using 2 dictionaries to catch you (rich), and I’m writing with two fingers only (although I have 10), be patient.
Many guys before me gave the names only of the subjcts and every body began to chat, why not me too.
You seems in rush, but I can see you have already the final decision, you are not waiting to weigh the infos but to criticize it, am I right.
I hope you are not such man.
1-What happened to the black boxes of the 4 airliners?
According to what I know, they claimed they find all 2, 3 or 4, they didn’t release one simple information. I don’t know why. Some one corrects me
2-What was the defense arrangements for the Pentagon, which hold the most intelligent minds in the world, and the most secret information, is it have a prohibited flying zone, man operated air defense (long, medium and short ranges) and/or the automatic AIM-7 ,sparrow, like that for the carriers?
1st explanation:
In the zero 9_11 movie some American fighters, workers in the Pentagon assure that :
For any aircraft that get out of coarse or lose radio communication or don’t send a transponder signal it has to be intercepted all over the country. And the north east area of the states there is 16 air bases to do so.
The Washington area have more security arrangements due to the very important national security and strategic facilities it have, another military 50 mile zone with 17 mile 1st choice and 3 miles 2nd choice missiles.
That’s seems to be logic, the problem is why all of these measurements didn’t work? No answer
2nd Explanation:
There is none of the previous measurements. And any aircraft is free to tour the US skies with its passengers without any reasonable reaction from the authorities, and it’s free to hit any strategic place, nuclear stations or even dams. That’s small problem if compared to the strategic enemy long range weapons. Or if any enemy fighter penetrated the border’s defenses, what to do. It’s a stupid strategic mistake. Some one did that mistake, has to be punished.
3-How many cameras where there to monitor the building, what was their directions and what was there accuracy, and then compare that to Wall-mart.?
They are 86 video cameras. The FBI hide all the cameras’ movies for 5 years, (why??) And finally in 2006, they released 4 of them. But for bad luck only one of the four had captured the scene. But for more bad luck bad luck, you can’t recognize any thing, almost 3 frames in the video (in almost .7 sec.). Non of them captured the Boeing 757.
The accuracy is too bad compared to the flea-market video cams.
If that is the reality, Again we have another stupid mistake in distributing the cameras, to view all of such side of the building. And choosing of the accuracy of it. Some one have to be punished!!!!
And hiding of the non-benefit information for 5 years?
4- if there was any near by cameras belong to the any near by facility?
The same answer as 3
Another alleged flight anomaly concerns the supposed “stand down” order given by the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) on 9/11 to allow the hijacked airplanes to reach their destinations without interference. The 9/11 Truth Movement believes that NORAD had the capability of locating and intercepting planes on 9/11, and its failure to do so indicates a government conspiracy to allow the attacks to occur. To support this assertion, they claim that NORAD could have quickly neutralized the hijacked planes because flight interceptions are routine, with 67 such intercepts occurring before 9/11.32 Significantly, this claim does not specify the length of time over which these alleged intercepts occurred, or tell us whether they took place near major cities or over, say, miles of open ocean. More specific and accurate information comes from the Popular Mechanics article, which states:
In the decade before 9/11, NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart’s Learjet, in October 1999. With passengers and crew unconscious from cabin decompression, the plane lost radio contact but remained in transponder contact until it crashed. Even so, it took an F-16 1 hour and 22 minutes to reach the stricken jet. Rules in effect back then, and on 9/11, prohibited supersonic flight on intercepts.33
It is not a quick or easy matter to locate and intercept a plane behaving erratically. NORAD personnel must first attempt repeated communication with the planes in question to rule out more mundane problems, and then must contact appropriate military personnel to scramble the planes and direct them to the appropriate location. The situation on 9/11 was further complicated by the fact that terrorists on the hijacked jets had turned off or disabled the onboard radar transponders. Without a transponder signal identifying the airplanes, each hijacked airplane would have been only one moving blip among many others on NORAD’S screens, making it much harder to track. Thus, even a direct NORAD decision to intercept any of the hijacked planes on 9/11 would have still entailed a significant amount of time to reach the jet — time that was simply not available on 9/11.
You do not belong on this Forum, Samy, not because you are a Muslim believer, but because you fail to be both reasonable or objective. You believe in the 9-11 conspiracy theories because you want to believe them. With a little research you could have found quite a bit of evidence to refute them. Yes, you are “skeptical”, but, you are a biased skeptic, which is not the qualities an educated person should demonstrate. I am patient with your defense of Islam because religion is based on faith, subjectivity, and personal preferences, but, the pursuit of knowledge should be rigorous and unbiased.
It is merely a matter of simple logic and deduction.
1. Islam is a religion of peace, as we all know.
2. Islamic fanatics murder thousands of civilians by flying airplanes into buildings.(or murder British civilians on buses and subways, or murder Spanish civilians on trains, or murder Jewish civilians on buses, or murder slutty Afghan girls who have the temerity of wanting to go to school [the wayward hussies] or murder teenagers at a dance hall in Bali, or….)
3. Since 1 and 2 are in conflict, another explanation must be found.
4. Insert random conspiracy.
This is slightly off topic but I would like to share with Samy the details of an art project I am currently working on.
I have a pet piglet of which I am very fond. I have taken a black marker and drawn a picture of Mohammad on the pig’s rear end so Mo’s mouth is positioned exactly on the pig’s anus.
Then I proceeded to film the little oinker as it defecated (defecating means shitting, Samy) and then I added the audio of an Imam reading from the Koran.
So while you see the pig shit coming out of Mohammed’s mouth, you hear the content of the Koran being read to you.
The result is really quite cool, if I may say so myself, and it illustrates rather well how I think of Samy’s comrades who felt compelled to slit the throats of my wife’s friends and coworkers.
OK, fine. Let’s do that. I’ll go first, since you’re unwilling to:
samy_73 - 14 July 2011 02:40 AM
Do any body have an idea about:
Yes; but since you seem to lack the basic ability to gather facts on your own:
[Now—YOUR TURN. What do YOU think? Man up, leave the Quran alone, and try and “reason” all by yourself.
Why this attacking manner, we are not in American football game! not me who did it, not me who hide the infos for 5 years, save your Enthusiasm to the right place. Take it easy, or it is your normal way?
In fact they have to be 8 black boxes for (each a/c one for flight data recording and another for the cockpit members dialogue). They find what ever they find, what is the benefit, where is the information?
If that 86 cameras is right or not the problem in the effeciancy and the most secured place in the states has been attacked and couldn’t even to record what happened even with cheep camera in the right place.
what you are telling about the u-tube is really conflicts what happened? For five years (5 y) all the world were waiting for the Pentagon movie tht means there was no other choice!
Whey they were waiting if they have a better choice??
Yes the Pentagon and all the strategic places have to have an Air defense, or else any aircraft is free to tour the US skies with its passengers without any reasonable reaction from the authorities, and it’s free to hit any strategic place, nuclear stations or even dams.
Why this attacking manner, we are not in American football game!
Why? Because you’re disingenuous and immune to reason. That’s why.
samy_73 - 14 July 2011 11:45 AM
not me who did it, not me who hide the infos for 5 years, save your Enthusiasm to the right place.
Excuse me, you do understand that “the infos” sometimes takes time to be gathered, and some of it was probably classified. Right? I mean, you have SOME idea of how the world works, right?
samy_73 - 14 July 2011 11:45 AM
Take it easy, or it is your normal way?
Yes, speaking directly and holding bullshit in contempt is my normal way.
samy_73 - 14 July 2011 11:45 AM
In fact they have to be 8 black boxes for (each a/c one for flight data recording and another for the cockpit members dialogue). They find what ever they find, what is the benefit, where is the information?
What “information” do you need, Samy? There is ample documentation of what happened that day. What do you think is missing?
samy_73 - 14 July 2011 11:45 AM
If that 86 cameras is right or not the problem in the effeciancy and the most secured place in the states has been attacked and couldn’t even to record what happened even with cheep camera in the right place.
Who said it’s the “most secured place in the states?” Who said that?
And why would they have cameras looking for fucking airplanes? WHY? There’s no reason for that.
samy_73 - 14 July 2011 11:45 AM
what you are telling about the u-tube is really conflicts what happened? For five years (5 y) all the world were waiting for the Pentagon movie tht means there was no other choice!
Whey they were waiting if they have a better choice??
Nothing “conflicts” with anything. Those were real people who died on those planes, you jackass. They had families and friends who miss them and who mourn their loss. Quit playing cheap conspiracy games with their memory.
samy_73 - 14 July 2011 11:45 AM
Yes the Pentagon and all the strategic places have to have an Air defense, or else any aircraft is free to tour the US skies with its passengers without any reasonable reaction from the authorities, and it’s free to hit any strategic place, nuclear stations or even dams.
You are an idiot. You do not have any concept of how the real world works—which would explain why you get all your “answers” from the Quran.
I’m done with you; I suggest to everyone else that we ignore Samy as well as Brother Mario, and hope they both go away and never come back.
