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Posted: 18 July 2010 06:18 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Always new books and TV programs concerning this idea. What bothers me is why very educated people, some with advertised PhD’s proclaim that the evidence for such events to have happened is indisputable.

WTF???

How do ancient human rock carvings of things that can be interpreted as just about anything, and ancient Sumerian writings in the first known human language about Gods from the sky, equate to indisputable evidence that earth was visited by aliens from space thousands of years ago?

Evidence? Please. Undisputable? Ridiculous.

Now, lets of course keep an open mind, and realize that this could have happened, but to say that their is undisputable and ample evidence to support it at this point is….....well…...really speculative.

This is really no different from postulating a trandscendent God creator is it? Because, all it does is replace one mystery with another, and in reality it answers nothing. It actually seems like the psychology of ‘belief’ at work again here.

Because if true, I just then want to know….who created the space alien travelers?

But, we all already REALLY know the answer to that don’t we? We did, in our minds! Or some of us anyway, even the ones with PhD’s apparently.

Confirmation bias or marketing scam?

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Posted: 18 July 2010 06:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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MY nephew believes in this.  When I mock him, he says…“leave me alone…it’s my religion”

(he’s joking.  I think)

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Posted: 18 July 2010 09:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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PhD’s just state how long you were able to tolerate sitting in a classroom, not how smart you are.

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Posted: 18 July 2010 09:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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GAD - 18 July 2010 09:14 AM

PhD’s just state how long you were able to tolerate sitting in a classroom, not how smart you are.


Intellectual self-discipline and humility have a lot more to do with it than shear smarts though. With too little intellectual integrity smarts can just make things worse.

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Posted: 18 July 2010 11:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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GAD - 18 July 2010 09:14 AM

PhD’s just state how long you were able to tolerate sitting in a classroom, not how smart you are.

No, not a classroom, it’s how long you were willing to do slave labor for your adviser.

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Posted: 18 July 2010 11:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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SkepticX - 18 July 2010 09:23 AM
GAD - 18 July 2010 09:14 AM

PhD’s just state how long you were able to tolerate sitting in a classroom, not how smart you are.


Intellectual self-discipline and humility have a lot more to do with it than shear smarts though. With too little intellectual integrity smarts can just make things worse.

Amen, Hallelujah!  wink 

I’ve had my fill of dealing with students where the applicable comments are: “How could someone so smart do something so dumb!” and “It’s fortunate that you exposed your lack of integrity and ethics before actually getting into a sensitive position.”

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Posted: 18 July 2010 01:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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GAD - 18 July 2010 09:14 AM

PhD’s just state how long you were able to tolerate sitting in a classroom, not how smart you are.

No, not a classroom, it’s how long you were willing to do slave labor for your adviser.

So that’s why corporations like PhD’s wink

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Posted: 19 July 2010 09:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariots_of_the_Gods?

I had all the books, read it all over and over and wanted so badly to believe it. I was explaining to my dad how the ancient gods were from outer space and how humans could never have made Machu Piccu and the pyramids and he expressed skepticism. I said “Oh yeah? how did the Egyptians move those giant rocks and stack them so perfectly?” His one word answer was infuriating “slaves”.

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Posted: 19 July 2010 09:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Acupuncturist - 19 July 2010 09:24 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariots_of_the_Gods?

I had all the books, read it all over and over and wanted so badly to believe it. I was explaining to my dad how the ancient gods were from outer space and how humans could never have made Machu Piccu and the pyramids and he expressed skepticism. I said “Oh yeah? how did the Egyptians move those giant rocks and stack them so perfectly?” His one word answer was infuriating “slaves”.

When I was a kid that sounded so cool! You think that the people saying such things know what they are talking about, then you grow up and find that they were talking shit about shit and shit * shit = bullshit!

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Posted: 20 July 2010 03:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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eudemonia - 18 July 2010 06:18 AM

Confirmation bias or marketing scam?


Why do smart people negate the millions of eye witnesses and documentation of UFO sightings?

Confirmation Bias, fear or just have not yet been at the right place at the right time to see one?

Imagine this;
It’s a clear warm summer evening, and you are just enjoying being outside watching the tops of the trees swaying in the breeze, when a bright star off to your left jumps about an inch from your perspective down and forward. Stops. Watching it intensely now, your heart is beating fast and you are focused.. on… it . It slowly moves back, stops again, then jumps again back and to the left, stops, glides to the right, stops, then moves down, stops for a minute then makes another skip back and then - flash it leaves like a meteor with no tail, or sound.

If you had seen this your perspective would be different.  You might even think they have been around for a long time.

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Posted: 20 July 2010 04:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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MaeWelbe - 20 July 2010 03:36 AM
eudemonia - 18 July 2010 06:18 AM

Confirmation bias or marketing scam?


Why do smart people negate the millions of eye witnesses and documentation of UFO sightings?

Confirmation Bias, fear or just have not yet been at the right place at the right time to see one?


Millions? You sure about that? Doesn’t really matter, but I might buy one million without much in the way of confirmation, but not millions.

Not a major issue in any case, but lemme modify the comment just a tad:

Why do smart people negate the millions of eye witnesses and documentation of Virgin Mary sightings?

Confirmation Bias, fear or just have not yet been at the right place at the right time to see one?

Or how about:

Why do smart people negate the millions(?) of eye witnesses and documentation of Bigfoot sightings?

Confirmation Bias, fear or just have not yet been at the right place at the right time to see one?

Etc.

It’s about evidence, obviously ... actual evidence ... corroborating evidence ... not anecdotes or dramatized eyewitness accounts. I recommend reading Eyewitness Testimony by Elizabeth Loftus to anyone who considers eyewitness testimony to be credible evidence in anything remotely akin to the scientific sense. I also recommend it to any and all potential jurors ... same for How We Know What Isn’t So by Thomas Gilovich.

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Posted: 20 July 2010 04:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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My previous post reminded me of one of my favorite bits of recent TV history:

A scene from The X-Files: Jose’ Chung’s ‘From Outer Space’:
(Roky Crikenson is relating his tale to Mulder and Scully. A mysterious visit from a man dressed in black ... Roky turns from his conversation with Scully and Mulder and the scene changes, seemingly in real time. The garage door opens and a large, black, older model sedan pulls in rapidly. The driver’s door opens and a large man in a black suit steps out who looks just like Jessie Ventura)

1st Man In Black: “No other object as been misidentified as a flying saucer more often than the planet Venus.”

Roky Crikenson: “Really? (oddly, we are now in the present, Roky in the same position at his desk, Mulder and Scully back in the room) That was when I realized something was weird.”

Scully: “At which point?”

Roky: “See, normally, if two strangers drive into my garage, I tell them to get the hell off the property. But this time, I didn’t! It was like I was in a trance or something.”

Mulder: “What did these men look like?”

Roky: “Usually, I’m really good with faces, but this time, all I can remember is how they were dressed. They were ...”

Mulder: “All in black?”

(Roky stares at him, looks over at Scully, then slumps in his seat, disappointed, staring at Mulder)

Roky: “How’d you know that?!”

Mulder: “Since the ‘50s, people who have had close encounters have reported subsequent visits by these unearthly men in black.”

(Scully looks as if this is all totally ridiculous. We hear Jose Chung’s voice talking)

Jose Chung: “But you know, myths about men in black garments ... (the scene cuts to the X-Files office, present day) ... have been recorded throughout history in many different cultures. The Celtic legends are filled with trickster men in black and how anyone who encounters them becomes enchanted.”

Scully: “Unfortunately, I’m not sure that modern reconstruction of ancient fairy tales lends any more credence to Roky’s testimony.”

(scene cuts back to Roky’s garage as the MIB steps out of the car and starts to walk slowly towards Roky, very menacing)

1st MIB: “Even the former leader of your United States of America, James Earl Carter Jr., thought he saw a UFO once ... (he looks down at Roky’s document, titled “The Truth About Aliens by Roky Crikenson”) But it’s been proven he only saw the planet Venus.”

(Roky grabs the document, clutching it to his chest and leaning his chair back, as far away from the MIB as he can get)

Roky: “I’m a Republican.”

1st MIB: “Venus was at its peak brilliance last night. You probably thought you saw something up in the sky other than Venus, but I assure you, it was Venus.”

Roky: “I know ... (Roky sits up, the MIB shoves him back down) ... what I saw.” (The MIB leans in towards Roky as he talks, scaring the heck outta him)

1st MIB: “Your scientists have yet to discover how neural networks create self-consciousness, let alone how the human brain processes two-dimensional retinal images into the three-dimensional phenomenon known as perception. (The MIB stands and holds his arms up in disbelief) Yet you somehow brazenly declare seeing is believing? (The 2nd MIB now walks over to Roky, his face shaded from the audience) Mr. Crikenson, your scientific illiteracy makes me shudder, and I wouldn’t flaunt your ignorance by telling anyone that you saw anything last night other than the planet Venus, because if you do, you’re a dead man.” (He gets in the car, somehow the 2nd MIB is already in the passenger seat)

Roky: “You ... can’t threaten me.”

1st MIB: “I just did.”

(He rolls up the car window, the garage door opens and the car whips out of the garage backwards the same way it arrived, far too quickly for a normal car. Roky stares in disbelief. Then, it seems as if no time has passed, but we’re back to Mulder and Scully in Roky’s room. He hands the document to Mulder)

Roky: “This is what they wanted me not to show anyone. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to go pack.” (Roky gets up from his chair)

Mulder: “If we have any more questions, where can we find you?”

Roky: “You won’t find me.”

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Scully: “In short, Roky showed signs of being what is known as a fantasy-prone personality.”

Chung: “Agent Scully, you are so kind ... He’s a nut! I read his manifesto!”

Scully: “How did you get a copy?” (He pulls out the document)

Chung: “One was sent to my publishers. I don’t know what was more disturbing ... his description of the inner core reincarnated souls sex orgy ... or the fact that the whole thing is written in screenplay format.”

Scully: “It definitely was peculiar.”

Chung: “Well, surely, your partner didn’t believe any of it?”

Scully: “Wh, wh, well, Mulder’s had his share of peculiar notions. He’s not inclined to dismiss anything outright. (cut to the motel room, Scully’s cross-legged on the bed and Mulder’s in the chair) Mulder, you’re nuts!”

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Posted: 20 July 2010 05:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Sorry for so going after this rabbit here, but another favorite line from Jose’ Chung’s ‘From Outer Space’:

Blaine Faulkner: “I didn’t spend all those years playing Dungeons & Dragons and not learn a little something about courage.”


Okay ... I’m done.

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Posted: 20 July 2010 07:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Come on X! If you see a moving light in the sky it can be only one thing, Aliens, and that can mean only one thing, that an anal probing is on it’s way.

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Posted: 20 July 2010 12:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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SkepticX - 20 July 2010 04:08 AM


It’s about evidence, obviously ... actual evidence ... corroborating evidence ....

There is a sizable number of people who think based upon evidence that there have been alien visitations. Some people evaluate the evidence as credible and some knee jerk to mocking.. MIB, nut, fantasy prone, virgin mary, big foot and anal probes.
A million or millions, who knows how many people have their own ‘anecdotes or dramatic eyewitness accounts’? I know I would be hesitant to say anything because of this common reaction.
Yes I agree, it’s the evidence that matters. It is good to know we have people with “intellectual self-discipline and humility” willing to search for and gather data.
And thanks for the reading list.

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Posted: 22 July 2010 07:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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‘Why do smart people negate the millions of eye witnesses and documentation of UFO sightings?

Confirmation Bias, fear or just have not yet been at the right place at the right time to see one?’


Because smart people use skepticism as a virtue and they are secure and mature enough to say…‘I don’t know’... instead of claiming to see an unidentified flying object and jump to the unbelievable, the supernatural and the paranormal for explanation.

The term ‘reason’ is applicable, when all factors are considered.

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