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What is the best way to cultivate rationality society-wide?
Posted: 15 May 2010 07:13 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Denigrating religion and promoting atheism can be fun and meritorious, but I see such activities as treating a symptom rather than the disease. And I wonder, is treating the disease even possible? Maybe all one can do is produce more pharmaceuticals. I tend to lean toward this pessimistic view, and so I pose the question in the subject.

It would be nice if one could say, “He’s a physicist [or neuroscientist]; of course he doesn’t believe in God or ghosts.” But you cannot. Unfortunately irrationality, rather than the converse, is, it seems, fundamental to human nature. Education in sciences seems to positively correlate with atheism, but science also correlates with close-mindedness*. That said, I’m a science fanatic myself, and a broad spectrum push for science funding and education would probably make the world a much better place regardless of the state of average human reasoning prowess.

Widespread adoption of atheism would definitely eliminate a great deal of nonsense, but while I was a very excited atheist when I first deconverted, I have since realized many of the atheists I’ve met are not what I would call rational people. Rationality, in my experience, seems to be correlated with atheism, but atheism is certainly not dependent on it. And so I take less pride calling myself an atheist these days; I prefer to think of myself as “someone who strives to overcome his cognitive biases and treat issues impartially, in particular when they provoke an emotional reaction”.

Nowadays, I think less about the problem of religion and more about the problem of irrationality—which I see as the root cause of almost all human problems. We are self-righteousness; our brains justify our actions. We are wired for coalitionary behavior; we paint our teams and ourselves in a positive light. We interpret evidence in terms of previous beliefs, rather than develop beliefs from evidence. This is human nature. Evolutionary psychology is ready with answers to why. But is there any solution?

The consequences of our cognitive inclinations are easy to see in religion, but they are equally (or more) obvious in the political sphere, and certainly present, but perhaps much less obvious in the sciences (unless you’ve had the pleasure of attending a heated colloquium on some obscure topic). In fact, irrationality seems to permeate most everything to a disgusting degree. I would write some examples, but this is already getting long.

Adults who have already escaped formal education and found steady employment are probably a lost cause. I suspect they’ve more or less settled on a method of learning and assessing information, interacting socially, and so forth that works for the lives they’ve already established. For them, I think we can only compete with alternative information sources directly—presenting alternative memes that compete with irrational memes but propogate in the same irrational manner. For example, promulgating atheism to oppose religion and “green morality” to oppose climate denial and climate apathy. These tactics seem to be working, and while I’m glad because I agree with the ideas, it is still disappointing to see them spread essentially by being fashionable. And even if rational memes were to reach 90% acceptance or so, it would not necessarily mean the population was itself more rational.

In order to cultivate a more rational society, I think formal education must change dramatically. Consequently, I think the efforts of this charity should primarily target formal education. Such efforts should have broad enough appeal to garner support from organizations that would otherwise see this project as a threat. I get the impression most people think education is important and that it is hard to speak directly against efforts to improve it. Moreover, this is possibly the only way to to even approach the problem of basic human irrationality directly. 

Throughout my education I remember a lot of ado about the dichotomy between critical thinking and rote memorization. Despite this, it was mostly memorization of facts (history, biology) or domain specific problem solving algorithms (english—that is, essay writing, physics, math, and chemistry). I remember learning the “scientific method” in grade school in order to complete a “research” assignment, but I don’t remember anyone explaining the generally applicability (maybe because quality reasoning is still generally limited to science). In 6th grade I learned about propaganda tactics, and for some reason that really stuck. (Judging by the state of television, apparently I’m an outlier.) But I first remember learning about the variety of named logical fallacies in argumentation in college—which is way too late, in my opinion. College students that take psychology 101 are introduced to concepts essential to understanding our general irrationality such as cognitive biases, but I am not sure how much it helps. Though I never took a psychology class, I skimmed through an introduction to psychology book and saw Gazzaniga’s experiments discussed; however, the psych. students that I’ve talked to remember the topic when I jog their memory, but the implications seem not to have made much of an impression. All in all, I don’t think our (US) current education system attacks the problem of irrationality to any appreciable degree. (I admit my education may not have been typical.)

In the same way that math or english is presented a sequence taught each year for the entirety of grade school, I believe rationality should be taught each year with subjects ranging from legitimate logical argumentation to confirmation bias. Critical thinking is already a meaningless buzzword, but that might make it a good title and improve the scope and appeal. This seems like more of a “What would you do with a billion dollars?” style answer. Education reform? In America?

An “easier” course may be to promote policies that would increase the quality of teachers. I believe quality teachers make an enormous difference. And I think something as simple as raising grade school teacher salaries to nearly professor (adjunct, if you have a weak stomach) levels should draw in more bright, capable teachers.

Ultimately, I think I’m going to have to tend to my garden, but I feel if we are to expect any real change in average human reasoning, a bottom up approach through formal education is necessary. Starting from the top with reasonable memes isn’t likely to bring change beyond the change those memes themselves directly bring about. This is, of course, merely my hypothesis.

* I do my best not to pull purportedly factual claims out my ass. At the same time, citing in a forum post strikes me as absurd. If you dispute any facts presented above, I’ll be happy to find my sources. In this particular case, it comes from a paper (that I do not have access to) Gazzaniga (whom I seem to think is somewhat reliable) uses as a source in “The Ethical Brain”.

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Posted: 16 May 2010 04:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I think you hit the nail perfectly on the head. A complete revamping of the education system geared to establishing critical thinkng skills seems to be the only way to save future generations of human society. The big question is are there enough people of reason with power and influence to implement policies to achieve such goals. It seems with every generation idiocracy spreads more than rational thought. The rational do no reproduce in mass numbers like the irrational, therefore we are becoming outnumbered. Living in a democratic society where most of the populace is irrational does not bode well for implementing policies geared to critical thought. Memes seem to be the best solution to manipulate the irrational. I think ratIonal thought has to be given almost as a mother feeds a child medicine by hiding it within the childs food.

We need to take careful thought in how we implement memes and the only way to do this is media control. Whoever controls the media, controls the irrational. We need to create a Trojan horse to infiltrate the media and establish rational influence via subtle tactics. How we can get this done is open for discussion…

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Posted: 16 May 2010 01:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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I’m willing to have a whole bunch of babies to try to narrow the divide amongst the rational and irrational. I’m going to need some funding, though. Oh! We could all adopt kids and teach them to be reasonable and responsible. Maybe we could establish special schools that go more in-depth with scientific teachings and secular values? After all, the religious have been using private schools to push beliefs for hundreds of years. Separation of church and state only prevents teachers from teaching religion, it does nothing to dissuade children from believing all the hype that is constantly being thrown at them from all directions. Just some ideas. I’m new. wink

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Posted: 17 May 2010 03:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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If irrationality was really tantamount to a “disease,” it would have disappeared by now.  The irrational would have been weeded out by some process of selection, wouldn’t they?  But the ubiquity of irrationality indicates this isn’t the case.  At a bare minimum, it’s safe to say that empirical evidence indicates irrationality is not an impediment to surviving and reproducing.  In fact, it might actually be an advantage.  Put another way, rationality does not appear to confer any significant advantage, and may actually be a disadvantage.  How else to explain why “irrationality, rather than the converse, is, it seems, fundamental to human nature?”

If this is true, then the only way to cultivate rationality society-wide would be to create some artificial selection process; i.e., to exterminate the irrational.  But I suspect that might defeat your purpose.  Which is, what, by the way?

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Posted: 17 May 2010 04:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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If irrationality was really tantamount to a “disease,” ...

You’ve taken the analogy much further than it was intended. I meant only to highlight the causal relationship between certain behaviors and natural human thinking.

...your purpose.  Which is, what, by the way?

The question seemed like a valid question to ask of a charity called Project Reason, with stated aims of “encourag[ing] critical thinking and erod[ing] the influence of dogmatism, superstition, and bigotry”.

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Posted: 29 July 2010 08:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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We need more than a simple reform on education to get rid of irrationality, we need to rethink the profession of teaching and also the content of knowledge spread within our schools (I think we can all agree on that). Epochra is right, we have to put more of the ‘‘good guys’’ into office if we are to change this part of the system so radically. But we’ll still need more than that if we want rationality to succeed in most of our societies. Reforming education will only have an impact on the new generations and a very small percentage of adults still in class.

We have to remove the influence of religion from politics for very obvious reasons. Rationality can’t govern a country if the leader of the country in question is under the influence (financial, beliefs, etc) of religion or/and religious lobbying group. For example, I’m from Canada and our Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, is known to receive such influence from Christian churches and to ‘‘work’’ for at least some of their interests in return. Since the Canadian Conservative Party was brought to power, he reopened the debate on abortion, gay rights and even women rights which is unacceptable for most us Canadians. Same problem in the US; the president, and most of congress, are christians and they rarely get elected if they do not publicly affirm they believe in God. I know you said you prefer promoting rationality more than atheism, but religion IS an obstacle in the way of the progress we must achieve to create a more rational society.

I’m not denigrating people of faith neither am I thinking I’m better than them, since science has not given any proof that god exists or not yet. But right now, the world needs more rationality in its whole and the way to achieve this cannot only come from a better (or more accurate) education system even if I agree that it’s probably the most effective solution I know to this day. It’s only an idea and I honestly hope to hear more of yours since I think your question is a very good one.

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Posted: 30 July 2010 12:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Err for Reason - 15 May 2010 07:13 PM

Education in sciences seems to positively correlate with atheism, but science also correlates with close-mindedness*.

science isn’t correlated with close-mindedness, and i take issue with your statement here that it is. if i may, i believe you may have intended to say, or i believe it would be more accurate to say, that intelligence is correlated with close-mindedness. and this is only true because the intelligent individual will be better at defending what they think, and will (usually) need considerably more convincing in order to change their point of view.

yet those qualities also could be indistinguishable from a sufficiently stubborn and irrational indvidual of not much thinking capacity.

in both cases people have, in my experience, a tendency to want to avoid anything that might lead them to saying they were wrong about anything.

as to the question of how we might increase rationality in society: occam’s razor. using nothing more than is sufficient to explain our situation and how to deal with it. this is part of science. science looks for spartan explanations, usually. and science does not propose magical stories whose ideas may not be corroborated or examined in any way except devout capitulation.

whatever role, if any, religion may once have had in organizing people in groups and getting them together, the only thing it does any longer is preserve age old myths. there’s a splash of moral, legal, economic, and psychological teaching messily mixed in as well, as might be expected of a thousands-year-old tradition, but we don’t need religion in order to be moral. people will be social and form communities. all we must do is best understand how to allow those communities to function, flourish, and allow individuals freedom and the opportunity to build upon the world we’ve built in order to create an ever ascending quality of life.

the acceptance of death as inevitable and/or a religious father figure who will take care of everything is pretty much exactly what allows a person to cede their feelings of responsibility to this world or its future generations, and what causes propagations of these irrational behaviors, what causes societies to have an overall deleterious effect on the prospects of those who may come after, and why we may not survive as a species much longer.

since the most popular beliefs tend to be self-enforcing, i cannot think of any method that might bring about a more rational world that would not in some way be stifled, since rationality necessarily opposes blind faith (in anything), and blind faith seems to rule the day. for now. and blind faith doesn’t really want to know if evolution is true, or things of that nature. people like that just don’t care about reality very much, and particularly where it objects with their book they will readily dismiss dissident evidence.

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Posted: 30 July 2010 12:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Chuck89 - 29 July 2010 08:36 PM

Epochra is right, we have to put more of the ‘‘good guys’’ into office if we are to change this part of the system so radically. But we’ll still need more than that if we want rationality to succeed in most of our societies. Reforming education will only have an impact on the new generations and a very small percentage of adults still in class.

We have to remove the influence of religion from politics for very obvious reasons. Rationality can’t govern a country if the leader of the country in question is under the influence (financial, beliefs, etc) of religion or/and religious lobbying group.

unfortunately i tend to think the kinds of people most interested in politics are bored white religious demagogues who for whatever reason can’t find steady work in churches or think the pay in church work isn’t good enough. some informed governance is surely necessary, yet in recent years far too much significance has been ascribed to the jobs in government and the people who perform them.

i realize the debate is far from over on how best to organize a society; yet it is vitally clear in every westernized society there is far FAR too much disagreement on innumerable issues, typically originating from differences in the various religions these modern societies attempt to accomodate all at once, that holds progress in a deadlock. what we’re going to have to understand is that in order to make any progress at all we need to relinquish attachments to ideas that cannot be argued for with anything more substantial than, “but i’ll go to hell if i let you do that…”

and never should we get to a point that we think we always need more and more government, or that we constantly have to rethink issues. considered examination or review is a good idea, but at some point we might imagine we achieve a sufficiently fair system that covers all the bases, and little more than maintenance work need be done. or if any changes be made, they be made with clear benefits over any previously existing legislation. of course i admit we are a long way from that point.

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Posted: 30 July 2010 03:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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“What is the best way to cultivate rationality society-wide?”

Sterilize fundamentalists.

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Posted: 30 July 2010 03:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Daystar - 30 July 2010 03:37 AM
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“What is the best way to cultivate rationality society-wide?”

Sterilize fundamentalists.

I think the lovely little atheists, influenced by the Nazis, at family planing tried that with the Jews, Nigers and retarded. Yeah . . . didn’t work for their stupid cracker asses except for that it turned to big business for the white trash.


You’re indicating a reading comprehension problem—allowing your emotions/presumptions to hijack of your intellect, it would seem. It’s an emotional/intellectual self-discipline thing.

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Posted: 30 July 2010 04:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Daystar - 30 July 2010 04:16 AM

Hmmm . . . that reminds me of a German trying separately to deny they sit back and watched while Hitler murdered millions.


Not surprising.

Some are inclined to correct their errors, others are not—some no matter how obvious.

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Posted: 30 July 2010 06:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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SkepticX - 30 July 2010 03:55 AM
Daystar - 30 July 2010 03:37 AM
SkepticX - 30 July 2010 03:17 AM

“What is the best way to cultivate rationality society-wide?”

Sterilize fundamentalists.

I think the lovely little atheists, influenced by the Nazis, at family planing tried that with the Jews, Nigers and retarded. Yeah . . . didn’t work for their stupid cracker asses except for that it turned to big business for the white trash.


You’re indicating a reading comprehension problem—allowing your emotions/presumptions to hijack of your intellect, it would seem. It’s an emotional/intellectual self-discipline thing.

Daystar has no problem figuratively turning snakes into an evil entity, Satan, and random anonymous feet among the multitudes of succeeding generations into Christ, but sterilization can only mean vasectomies and fallopian tube tying. Byron, you’re a prophet! Bye God!

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Posted: 30 July 2010 07:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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goodgraydrab - 30 July 2010 06:31 AM

Daystar has no problem figuratively turning snakes into an evil entity ...


He also seems to have a quite limited sense of humor.

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Destination Immortality - 30 July 2010 12:29 AM
Err for Reason - 15 May 2010 07:13 PM

Education in sciences seems to positively correlate with atheism, but science also correlates with close-mindedness*.

science isn’t correlated with close-mindedness, and i take issue with your statement here that it is. if i may, i believe you may have intended to say, or i believe it would be more accurate to say, that intelligence is correlated with close-mindedness. and this is only true because the intelligent individual will be better at defending what they think, and will (usually) need considerably more convincing in order to change their point of view.

What you say about intelligent people is probably also true, but I do not know of any studies. I read the same argument in a book by Michael Shermer: “Why people believe weird things”.

I was actually referring to scientists in particular. I gave away my copy of the Ethical Brain yesterday, incidentally (I did not enjoy the book very much). So I cannot quote it. The study cited by Gazzaniga apparently found preachers more likely to change their mind than scientists. The idea provoked me at the time so I went looking for the study. Of course it was not freely available online, and I haven’t been associated with an academic institution for over a year. That was the end of it. However, I will have access to journals soon, and I will find the study again. When I do I will update you.

The larger point is that nobody is immune to our basic cognitive defects, even those who are intelligent or educated in the sciences. I think the only solution is to beat an understanding our common irrational tendencies into impressionable children such that they cannot help but question themselves and others. This follows from my assumption that the only real meaningful way to combat our irrationality is awareness.

Society could implement such a strategy since the field of cognitive neurosciences has established a large number of conclusions at this point. These results seem to slowly be seeping into the public mind through occasional media references and popularizing authors like Pinker or Gazzaniga, but they are still generally unknown.

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Posted: 11 August 2010 10:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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‘the only real meaningful way to combat our irrationality is awareness.’

I think that is about it. Studying and understanding skepticism as a virtue and critical thinking. What kicks off the curiosity to such things is yet a mystery.

I have mentioned many times here that some humans seem to have an innate sense of absolutism and some seem to have an innate sense of curiosity.

Generally, enlightenment seems to bridge the gap between the two, but no guarantee.

Some extremely bright scientists are still putting mathematical equations together to try and prove a transcendent God creator.

Go figure.

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eudemonia - 11 August 2010 10:24 AM

‘the only real meaningful way to combat our irrationality is awareness.’

I think that is about it. Studying and understanding skepticism as a virtue and critical thinking. What kicks off the curiosity to such things is yet a mystery.


I think there’s a rather narcissistic element to the wild success of irrationality though, and it could very well be much more important than awareness—seems a rather important element in any case.

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