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Can the Freemasons save the world (again) ?
Posted: 01 November 2009 11:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Wendy Babiak - 01 November 2009 04:49 PM

What the Shriners do for kids really is admirable, Dee, but the fact of the matter is that the Freemasons lost any ability to move humanity forward when they became a theist organization. My husband has long been fascinated with them himself, but when he found out that what their requirements are he lost all interest. They are not the same group of people who helped found the nation (and it’s not really news to anyone that many of the authors of our founding documents were freemasons, either).

What’s going to move humanity forward is a rational humanism that encourages, as someone else mentioned, personal responsibility.


“A theist organization ” ? I have never thought of them that way, myself ! They do require that a man believe in an almighty entity ; a supreme being, but in all my days with them I never heard the name “God” mentioned once. A man does not have to say any prayers or vow his devotion to God.


About them not being what they used to be—-you are quite a bit right, but they still have what it takes to be influential if the situation called for it. They say they do not talk about religion or politics, but that is not entirely true. In spite of an outer shell of glitter and pomp, they have a very serious core. The more preeminate members of that society have a lot of respect and power of persuasion . They are much more into politics than anyone knows ( but told tell them I let that out ! ) .


There are things about them I would change though. I agree with you that we need a rational humanism that encourages personal responsibility . But responsibility is only one thing….we need some kind of an organization that teaches children how to live. Something that stresses a love of truth and fairness.

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Posted: 02 November 2009 06:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Dee - 01 November 2009 11:24 PM

“A theist organization ” ? I have never thought of them that way, myself ! They do require that a man believe in an almighty entity ; a supreme being, but in all my days with them I never heard the name “God” mentioned once. A man does not have to say any prayers or vow his devotion to God.

Yeah, let’s not forget about all of those other supreme, almighty entities that are NOT god. Are you kidding me?  Supreme being, almighty entity, that’s god, it doesn’t matter what you call it, that’s god. Any time you have a “supreme” or almighty “being” secretly in charge of the entire universe, that’s god. It doesn’t matter if you call it the Almighty Pancake of Universal Creation, that’s still god. Any time you have something that’s all powerful (and invisible), it’s god. It’s doesn’t matter what you call it, the definition is the same.

Juliet:
“What’s in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet.”

Besides, just the other day I saw a Freemason on TV say something to the effect of “You have to believe in God, it’s not our place to tell you which God to worship, but you must believe in God.”, and he definitely used the word “god”. So, not only do you have to have an imaginary friend to be a mason, it seems that you are also limited to monotheistic religions, or as I call them, The Big Three.

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Posted: 18 September 2011 12:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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I hope nobody minds me jumping in the conversation here.  I am a Mason AND an atheist.  If you are wondering how that can be, it is because the rule (one of the so-called Landmarks of Masonry) is that one cannot be ‘made’ a Mason if he were an atheist.  At the time I was ‘made’ a Mason, I was not fully rid of my theistic ideas, as I am now.  (I am still a bit of a pantheist-of-sorts, though, in that the Cosmos, itself, to me is a ‘supreme being’ of a kind, while not at all invoking any need for the supernatural.) 
  I will add that there is a growing movement within Masonry to be rid of the deist cloak it currently wears, given to it from 1723 and 1858, with the advent of the Landmarks.  Some researchers point out that the inclusion of the anti-atheist rule was a reaction to public accusations of immorality (and in the context of the time, that meant [gasp!] atheism!) within the secretive society in the wake of the Morgan Affair in 1826.  Many, many current Masons would like to see this slanderous ban against atheists removed, along with the Masonic injunction against women and cripples being given the Degrees.  To such an end, it will take some time:  a shift in demographics and a gathering of strength among young secularists in the Fraternity. 
  I, too, have been tempted on more than one occasion to wash my hands of the Masonic order because of its shortcomings.  However, I thought it a morally stronger position to stay and try to change what I am able to change.  I do this only because I believe Masonry (though not ‘saving’ the world or anything like that) still has much good to offer its members and society at large.  In fact, I credit my experiences in the Lodge with finally putting me over the tipping point towards atheism. 
  So, without going on and on here, I will just say that I’m willing, for the sake of clarity in this forum, to answer any questions you may have about Freemasonry.  Please feel free to ask.  Thanks!

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Posted: 18 September 2011 08:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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Thanks for the info tanker. It was an interesting read.

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Posted: 18 September 2011 05:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Not a problem!  Thanks for reading it.

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