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Charles Darwin, who you people love to evoke as the destroyer of the concept of creation, wrote this: Believing as I do that man in the distant future will be a far more perfect creature than he is now, it is an intolerable thought that he and all other sentient beings are doomed to complete annihilation after such long-continued slow progress. To those who fully ADMIT the immortality of the human soul, the destruction of our world will not appear so dreadful.
When I read quotes from so-called enlightened thinkers like eu’s that say that transubstantiation means the the bread and wine become actual flesh and blood, I can’t help but wonder if the number one criteria for someone to become a materialist atheist is the inability to think beyond the fourth grade. (And I may be on to something here.)
For you “thinkers” who don’t know, the sacramental presence of Jesus at Mass is a spritual presence based solely upon the degree of faith of the person engaged in the ceremony, not a physical presence magically whipped up. Jesus himself said that the flesh was weak but the spirit strong.
Keep reading (wrongly) Darwin and all your fourth-grade level thinkers to bolster your lies and opinions. It will be me who will not only get the last laugh, but an eternity of them when I see you forever glowing in a dimmer light of glory because of your stubbornness and rebellion against the truth, and your audacity to preach these lies and attack those who tell the truth.
All hail, praise and worship Acharya S! Read her books, watch her videos and follow her blogs to be given the secret truth that only she knows and is being hidden from you!
LOL, It’s obvious you’re struggling with knee-jerk reactions, biases, prejudices and misogyny. Might want to get some help with that, gad.
First of all Mario, all the really stupid people who you are apparently speaking to all the time in your posts do not participate in the forum at Project Reason. I don’t know where you will find an audience ignorant enough to make sense of your “arguments” - I don’t think anyone that stupid actually exists.
TheBrotherMario - 14 August 2011 05:18 AM
When I read quotes from so-called enlightened thinkers like eu’s that say that transubstantiation means the the bread and wine become actual flesh and blood, I can’t help but wonder if the number one criteria for someone to become a materialist atheist is the inability to think beyond the fourth grade. (And I may be on to something here.)
For you “thinkers” who don’t know, the sacramental presence of Jesus at Mass is a spritual presence based solely upon the degree of faith of the person engaged in the ceremony, not a physical presence magically whipped up. Jesus himself said that the flesh was weak but the spirit strong.
Take the nonsense above, where are you going to find this person you refer to who thinks that the bread and the wine become actual flesh and blood? Not even a 2 year old moron would take this seriously Mario. When you speak directly at that level of stupidity, why you are just showing your own lack of intelligence. It’s embarrassing to see your postings on a forum such as this.
Now, let’s take a more intelligent approach to your assertion above. OK, lets imagine that the bread and the wine transubstitute into the flesh and blood of Jesus, now why the hell would anyone want to eat these and drink them at that point in the transubstitution process? Is it necessary to ingest the spiritual in order for it to take effect? Just think for a second about the utter stupidity of these actions Mario. Spirit is not matter . . . or is it? ANd how ridiculously stupid does one have to be to partake in these sorts of activities? If it turns into spirit, that’s wonderful, but then to act like a wolf or a pig and eat this matter, well it just turns the whole concept into the ludicrous. Can you explain to me what sense it possibly makes for a christian to eat the spiritual flesh and blood of Jesus?
All hail, praise and worship Acharya S! Read her books, watch her videos and follow her blogs to be given the secret truth that only she knows and is being hidden from you!
LOL, It’s obvious you’re struggling with knee-jerk reactions, biases, prejudices and misogyny. Might want to get some help with that, gad.
LOL! I know the drill with you, if anyone doesn’t agree with Acharya S or your hero worship of her they are a troll, intellectually dishonest, an embarrassment and are suffer from knee-jerk reactions, biases, prejudices and misogyny.
I ask you this years ago, I’ll ask you again. Are you Acharya S? Her sister, lover, close friend? Your hero worship of her is over the top. If you are not extremely close to her or making money by promoting her then your hero worship of her is a bit disturbing. Not as disturbing as BM’s Jesus fanaticism but getting close.
First of all Mario, all the really stupid people who you are apparently speaking to all the time in your posts do not participate in the forum at Project Reason. I don’t know where you will find an audience ignorant enough to make sense of your “arguments” - I don’t think anyone that stupid actually exists.
He’s here because even other Christians can’t stand his bullshit.
Because Jesus WAS God incarnate, IS the Messiah for the created universe to partake of eternity, and WILL BE the one and only “person” deserving of our complete devotion and praise.
Jesus was a simple man who just happened to be also God and the sacrifice needed to fulfill all righteousness. Only a person who understands the concept of the Trinity can even fathom this truth. But, not surprisingly, there are no such persons here.
If Jesus never existed, we could easily say (like you atheists who do not understand who Jesus truly is say all the time) to God, “Why don’t you leave your lofty throne and show yourself and see how much we struggle?” And we would be right to say such a thing. But God did leave his throne, show himself, and experienced our struggles.
If you are truly asking me some deep questions, and not spewing out some materialistic ignorance, then think on this theological teaching:
God was content in himself and in need of nothing. But he made a choice to share himself with a created reality, a reality that is both spiritual and material, two sides of a coin, if you will. On the spiritual side he made the kingdom of heaven, with angels at the top. On the physical side he made the universe, with humanity at the top. Some angels rebelled against the importance of humanity. Some humans rebelled against the importance of angels. These angels and humans are now called demons and fools. The magnificent angels were disgusted with the place next to God Jesus and his mother, the queen of Heaven, were given. The rational humans were stubbornly opposed to the thought that there was a reality invisible to them and on a higher plane then their beloved material universe. Both think themselves above God’s divine plan, and both have therefore from their own doing fallen so far below this plan that the can no longer see it. And in the midst of all this disgust and stubbornness and falling arose heroes and saints, worthy of being called friends of God. And it is these heroes and saints who give God the glory he deserves. And it is the life and death of Jesus that has made God most worthy of this glory. His simple creation of everything and everyone wasn’t too shabby, but a only a pale reflection of all that Jesus was, is, and will be.
So, by partaking in the SACRAMENTAL (look up the term) presence of this Jesus, the Alpha and Omega, our Lord of Lords and King of Kings, wonder-counselor, lamb led to the slaughter, innocent man scourged for our iniquities, and on and on, that we do through the Eucharist at a Catholic mass, which is a recounting of Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection, we come as close to divinity as possible in our physical state. A simple meal eaten with solemnity, devotion, real faith, and in obedience to and remembrance of the Lord gives us grace and truth while we are away from our true home.
There, now you have the truth. Let’s see how you handle it.
Because Jesus WAS God incarnate, IS the Messiah for the created universe to partake of eternity, and WILL BE the one and only “person” deserving of our complete devotion and praise.
“complete devotion and praise” is sick and pathetic not a virtue. And what did your piece of shit god do for such devotion and praise? Nothing! Because he can’t be wrong, killing everyone horribly is just as prefect as not. So stop wasting your and our fucking time with worthless stories about why your god is good and deserves complete devotion and praise because that is just bullshit. I’m reminded of the line from God On Trial “god was never good, just powerful and on our side”.
Mario, if you actually want to discuss this “host eating activity” perhaps you should start a different thread in the Christianity section? I’m sure Veronica would appreciate getting back to the mythicist discussion.
I don’t know where in that completely non-catholic description of celestial events you managed to cover my question about why it is necessary to eat the transubstituted body and blood of Christ? Was it when you wrote “A simple meal eaten with solemnity, devotion, real faith, and . . . gives us grace and truth while we are away from our true home.”?
You make it seem like eating a spiritual christ for supper brings us as close as possible to divinity in our physical state. I realize that there’s a lot of sublimating and confession that must precede the partaking in the eucharist, but even given all that penance and spiritual incarceration why finally eat that communion host Mario? Does it really make any sense? Can’t you focus on the actual act of consumption and explain it more fully?
can zen, being away from home means being in, as Paul called it, this prison our body. Eating and drinking sustains our bodies. Our bodies are not unimportant, only less important than our spirits. The Eucharist (its capitalized) ceremony, which was instituted by Jesus and a fulfillment of the Passover meal, the Jewish celebration of their leaving Eygpt, joins our physical being with our spiritual being. We now are free from the slavery of sin (Jesus’ words).
You see, the Bible, which you “thinkers” dismiss as the work of the minds of men alone, is an account of God’s revelations of his plan throughout human history. As time went on, his plan unfolded, It is a very cool plan, and a plan that ties together nicely and profoundly. So to jump into the game near the end of this plan filled with skepticism and no understanding is absolute foolishness. You have no hope of receiving the answer you want because no such answer exists.
Oh, and I posted on this thread on day one and told Veronica she was spinning her wheels, giving a nod to atheism, and not seeing myths for what they are—expressions of faith in God by ancient humans at the beginning of God’s plan and before the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. But my posts were deleted long ago and she, like you, doesn’t have a clue as to the truth of this. So here we are, years later, still spinning and nodding and not understanding myths and human history in the light of God’s divine plan.
can zen, being away from home means being in, as Paul called it, this prison our body. Eating and drinking sustains our bodies. Our bodies are not unimportant, only less important than our spirits. The Eucharist (its capitalized) ceremony, which was instituted by Jesus and a fulfillment of the Passover meal, the Jewish celebration of their leaving Eygpt, joins our physical being with our spiritual being. We now are free from the slavery of sin (Jesus’ words).
Oh now I get it! Sort of . . .? Of course in the real world, ‘I’ am this living body (not as purely a material substance, but as an active, living, self-sustaining being), and the spirit part of me just is the active, living, self-sustaining action which includes the cognitive, thinking aspect of my being. So in eating the “so-called” transubstituted spirit of Jesus (an action done by Christ in emulating the passover meal) we attain some sort of communion between the material (physical) with the spiritual (action/motion). So the ACT of eating is just a RE-INACTMENT of the ritual of bringing spirit in conjunction with body.(But on a less “glorified” note, every possible action taken by any living, physical human being is an expression of the spirit, whether that action is “holy or unholy.” So the act of eating, regardless of its theological implications, is always spiritual, as is the act of thinking, the act of writing, the act of acting. The theological connotations are just leftover remnants of previous human civilizations who needed to rationalize their activity in a supernatural form so as to maintain their superstition and cover up their ignorance. What myth represents are these remnants, and the catholic faith is one of the few remaining myths that people on this planet still take seriously.)
You see, the Bible, which you “thinkers” dismiss as the work of the minds of men alone, is an account of God’s revelations of his plan throughout human history. As time went on, his plan unfolded, It is a very cool plan, and a plan that ties together nicely and profoundly. So to jump into the game near the end of this plan filled with skepticism and no understanding is absolute foolishness. You have no hope of receiving the answer you want because no such answer exists.
Oh we have answers Mario. Unfortunately, for you the “answer boat” left the dock before you put on your “life jacket” and you are now marooned on the melting iceberg called christianity, the “ground” beneath your feet is an illusion and I guess we’ll just have to see if you will sink or float when the time comes for you to face reality.
Oh, and I posted on this thread on day one and told Veronica she was spinning her wheels, giving a nod to atheism, and not seeing myths for what they are—expressions of faith in God by ancient humans at the beginning of God’s plan and before the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. But my posts were deleted long ago and she, like you, doesn’t have a clue as to the truth of this. So here we are, years later, still spinning and nodding and not understanding myths and human history in the light of God’s divine plan.
Oh, the plan, boss! The plan! Looks to me like your iceberg is heading straight for fantasy Island.
All hail, praise and worship Acharya S! Read her books, watch her videos and follow her blogs to be given the secret truth that only she knows and is being hidden from you!
LOL, It’s obvious you’re struggling with knee-jerk reactions, biases, prejudices and misogyny. Might want to get some help with that, gad.
LOL! I know the drill with you, if anyone doesn’t agree with Acharya S or your hero worship of her they are a troll, intellectually dishonest, an embarrassment and are suffer from knee-jerk reactions, biases, prejudices and misogyny.
I ask you this years ago, I’ll ask you again. Are you Acharya S? Her sister, lover, close friend? Your hero worship of her is over the top. If you are not extremely close to her or making money by promoting her then your hero worship of her is a bit disturbing. Not as disturbing as BM’s Jesus fanaticism but getting close.
I demand this punk, “GAD” be banned from this thread. All he has done is take a dump here with his malicious personal attacks, rather than offer any sort of intelligent discussion, which impedes mature conversation for the rest of us. This guy is extremely nasty and proves my point that he clearly has issues with knee-jerk reactions, biases, prejudices and misogyny. Looks like I hit the nail on the head and it hit a nerve and the truth hurts.
So, anyone who discusses the work by Acharya S in any sort of positive manner must either be “Acharya herself or her sister, lover, close friend or hero worship”? I find your comment extremely insulting and offensive - it proves your a misogynist. You make me sick you pathetic little punk - FUCK YOU, asshole. You’re an embarrassment to humanity.
If you don’t like this thread then don’t read it or post in it. Nobody is twisting your arm forcing you to post here.
All hail, praise and worship Acharya S! Read her books, watch her videos and follow her blogs to be given the secret truth that only she knows and is being hidden from you!
LOL, It’s obvious you’re struggling with knee-jerk reactions, biases, prejudices and misogyny. Might want to get some help with that, gad.
LOL! I know the drill with you, if anyone doesn’t agree with Acharya S or your hero worship of her they are a troll, intellectually dishonest, an embarrassment and are suffer from knee-jerk reactions, biases, prejudices and misogyny.
I ask you this years ago, I’ll ask you again. Are you Acharya S? Her sister, lover, close friend? Your hero worship of her is over the top. If you are not extremely close to her or making money by promoting her then your hero worship of her is a bit disturbing. Not as disturbing as BM’s Jesus fanaticism but getting close.
I demand this punk, “GAD” be banned from this thread. All he has done is take a dump here with his malicious personal attacks, rather than offer any sort of intelligent discussion, which impedes mature conversation for the rest of us. This guy is extremely nasty and proves my point that he clearly has issues with knee-jerk reactions, biases, prejudices and misogyny. Looks like I hit the nail on the head and it hit a nerve.
So, anyone who discusses the work by Acharya S in any sort of positive manner must either be “Acharya herself or her sister, lover, close friend or hero worship”? You make me sick you pathetic little punk - FUCK YOU, asshole. You’re an embarrassment to humanity.
I counter demand this punk, “Veronica95” be banned as a spammer. All she has done in every thread she has ever started is promote Acharya S books, videos and websites in order to try and drive web traffic there for sales opportunities.
Further her pathetic charge of misogyny is nothing more then crying wolf and playing the sexist card which is an insult to women the world over.
All hail, praise and worship Acharya S! Read her books, watch her videos and follow her blogs to be given the secret truth that only she knows and is being hidden from you!
LOL, It’s obvious you’re struggling with knee-jerk reactions, biases, prejudices and misogyny. Might want to get some help with that, gad.
LOL! I know the drill with you, if anyone doesn’t agree with Acharya S or your hero worship of her they are a troll, intellectually dishonest, an embarrassment and are suffer from knee-jerk reactions, biases, prejudices and misogyny.
I ask you this years ago, I’ll ask you again. Are you Acharya S? Her sister, lover, close friend? Your hero worship of her is over the top. If you are not extremely close to her or making money by promoting her then your hero worship of her is a bit disturbing. Not as disturbing as BM’s Jesus fanaticism but getting close.
I demand this punk, “GAD” be banned from this thread. All he has done is take a dump here with his malicious personal attacks, rather than offer any sort of intelligent discussion, which impedes mature conversation for the rest of us. This guy is extremely nasty and proves my point that he clearly has issues with knee-jerk reactions, biases, prejudices and misogyny. Looks like I hit the nail on the head and it hit a nerve.
So, anyone who discusses the work by Acharya S in any sort of positive manner must either be “Acharya herself or her sister, lover, close friend or hero worship”? You make me sick you pathetic little punk - FUCK YOU, asshole. You’re an embarrassment to humanity.
I counter demand this punk, “Veronica95” be banned as a spammer. All she has done in every thread she has ever started is promote Acharya S books, videos and websites in order to try and drive web traffic there for sales opportunities.
Further her pathetic charge of misogyny is nothing more then crying wolf and playing the sexist card which is an insult to women the world over.
Your turn.
PS I notice you still won’t address the question.
No, I will not be answering your misogynistic question, which is merely an attack on women and a malicious smear against me personally as well as Acharya S. It’s an extraordinarily insulting and offensive comment. You are a low-life TROLL launching malicious personal attacks and should be banned from this forum at this point. You are an embarrassment to this forum. I’m fed-up with assholes like you launching such extreme smears without ever being held accountable or responsible for them.
You just can’t handle the idea that people might be discussing the work by Achayra S in any sort of positive way. What are you another Marxist/Commy or just another JP Holding sock puppet jealous of any decent discussion of Acharya’s work?
* Added edit:
It’s not necessary to lock this thread - just get rid of assholes like ‘GAD’ coming in here to launch personal attacks and malicious smears. His accusations against me are utterly false, out of line and unacceptable. I find the accusations extremely insulting and offensive. Just because I own and have obviously read Acharya’s books doesn’t mean that I am her or her siblings or anything else.
Why lock the thread and ruin it for everybody? This thread has been read/viewed nearly 7,000 times with nearly 400 posts. People are obviously interested in this subject. Just get rid of those trying to ruin any decent discussion of it, please. Locking this thread gives ‘GAD’ exactly what he wants - CENSORSHIP. Yet, GAD has not been held accountable or responsible for the malicious attacks in any way and I’m really sick of it, hence, my strong response.
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