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I’m mainly referring to DaveDave, but the fact that this thread even exists, and that it’s 3 pages long, is annoying. We’re all adults here. What does it matter that there is a theist on here? Atheists are certainly the majority. Are we so antagonized by a theist that we have to ban them? If that’s the case, this may as well be a Born Again forum.
If you don’t like a theist’s post, or if you do not find it worthy of argument… ignore it. Simple. Move on.
Perhaps JDRND suspects that he may be a douchebag and merely wants confirmation from the expert… ?
I’m mainly referring to DaveDave, but the fact that this thread even exists, and that it’s 3 pages long, is annoying. We’re all adults here. What does it matter that there is a theist on here? Atheists are certainly the majority. Are we so antagonized by a theist that we have to ban them? If that’s the case, this may as well be a Born Again forum.
If you don’t like a theist’s post, or if you do not find it worthy of argument… ignore it. Simple. Move on.
Perhaps JDRND suspects that he may be a douchebag and merely wants confirmation from the expert… ?
who is the expert?
Jeff
I’m the one who mentioned it, so I am claiming to be the douchebag expert. </joke>
Hi Davedave,
I know what this is going to get me, but applying the methods of inquiry and reason let me ask you some questions
Davedave - 06 October 2009 10:34 AM
You’re no different than arowhena.
except GAD is an atheist
Yes, and they may have different hair colors too. However, this thread deals with posters that seem to be ignoring or detracting from the stated purposes of the forum. In that sense, you know, the on-topic sense, GAD is no different from arowhena.
jdrnd - 06 October 2009 11:06 AM
You have hijacked this forum and are currently siphoning resources from the Reason Project for your own purposes.
and what purposes are those?
Apparently, he needs a social outlet. This is what he says, anyway. I can only take him at his word.
jdrnd - 06 October 2009 11:06 AM
I’m sorry you don’t have any friends to socialize with in real life, but your loneliness doesn’t justify you stealing from the Reason Project.
What is your evidence that GAD does not have any friends; How do you know he is lonely? and what exactly is he stealing from the reason project.
He is stealing the service they are providing with this webpage and this forum. Websites are not free, you know. But you’re right. I should not have said “any”. I meant “enough”.
jdrnd - 06 October 2009 11:06 AM
You are a parasite and the fact that the Reason Project has not decided to squash you does not alter the nature of what you are doing.
In what way is he a parasite. Why would a web site that is promoting reason do something as dramatic as “squash somebody… what do you mean by squash? and What is the nature of what you think he is doing?
This webpage is not a place for atheists to discuss “whatever”. It is a webpage of a non-profit foundation. It is not a social networking site. It’s not a dating site. It’s not a proselytizing site. It’s not a porno site. It’s not a Mini Cooper site. It’s for this foundation. The Reason Project does not create webpages for pornography businesses, nor for Mini Coopers, nor for proselytizing, nor for dating, nor for social networking, nor for atheists to chat. I suspect that the Reason Project doesn’t have just a whole lot of money, but it does spend some of it hosting this forum. To not use this forum in a manner that achieves the ends of the Reason Project is stealing. How is this unclear? You guys are like teenagers loitering in somebody’s parking lot. Just because no one is shooing you away doesn’t change the fact that you have no business here.
jdrnd - 06 October 2009 11:06 AM
That you CAN use this forum to make up for what your life lacks does not mean you SHOULD
What do you think his life lacks?
Obviously, social outlets. He’s fighting desperately to maintain this forum as a social outlet, against the clear wishes of the people who pay for and maintain it. He not only seems heavily reliant on it as a social outlet, he appears to think that it would be exceedingly difficult to find a replacement social outlet, should this one cease to serve him in this fashion. As sad as this is, I don’t feel pity for him, because his reaction is still unjustifiable. Just because he wants a social outlet does not give him the right to simply squat on someone else’s forum. Being an atheist is not a free ticket to come here and try to warp the forum into something inconsistent with the founding principles. Again, this arises completely independently of enforcement.
jdrnd - 06 October 2009 11:06 AM
Davedave you are one angry person.
I get angry at theft, yes. I get angry at atheists that act pathetic for no good reason, yes. Our community barely has the resources to sustain itself, and GAD knows this, and still he uses this forum to make up for what he lacks personally. Is GAD’s need the greatest need? Are there not atheists we could and should be helping that are in greater need of our charity than he? Surely there are. Yet GAD shoves them out of the way, to make room for himself. He pushes to the front of the line so he can eat, while others behind him are left to starve. This forum has important business, but GAD doesn’t care about any of that. What HE needs is a social outlet, and because he’s getting what he needs, the rest of the community can go fuck themselves. Yeah, that makes me angry.
Davedave you are amazing. How do you know all this from the small snippets of comment GAD has produced?
I’m mainly referring to DaveDave, but the fact that this thread even exists, and that it’s 3 pages long, is annoying. We’re all adults here. What does it matter that there is a theist on here? Atheists are certainly the majority. Are we so antagonized by a theist that we have to ban them? If that’s the case, this may as well be a Born Again forum.
If you don’t like a theist’s post, or if you do not find it worthy of argument… ignore it. Simple. Move on.
Perhaps JDRND suspects that he may be a douchebag and merely wants confirmation from the expert… ?
who is the expert?
Jeff
I’m the one who mentioned it, so I am claiming to be the douchebag expert. </joke>
You’re no different than arowhena. You have hijacked this forum and are currently siphoning resources from the Reason Project for your own purposes. I’m sorry you don’t have any friends to socialize with in real life, but your loneliness doesn’t justify you stealing from the Reason Project. You are a parasite and the fact that the Reason Project has not decided to squash you does not alter the nature of what you are doing. That you CAN use this forum to make up for what your life lacks does not mean you SHOULD.
ROFLMAO! You invented charges and found me guilty of them all on the projects dime!
I suppose it’s OK for you as you are trying to rule the world for the children.
I’m mainly referring to DaveDave, but the fact that this thread even exists, and that it’s 3 pages long, is annoying. We’re all adults here. What does it matter that there is a theist on here? Atheists are certainly the majority. Are we so antagonized by a theist that we have to ban them? If that’s the case, this may as well be a Born Again forum.
If you don’t like a theist’s post, or if you do not find it worthy of argument… ignore it. Simple. Move on.
Perhaps JDRND suspects that he may be a douchebag and merely wants confirmation from the expert… ?
Let me assure you that Dave the Redundant does not realize he is a psuedo-intellectual douchebag; he thinks he is the only person worth listening to. I’ve had him on “ignore” for several hundred posts now, but I keep getting his posts when other people quote him in their posts. I finally had to unsubscribe to the “Why do these nuts want the end of days” thread, because it turned into the DaveDave thread.
With respect to christians infiltrating this forum, I wrote a very long and very intemperate screed some time ago on the Sam Harris Forum suggesting that there was no good reason to engage with christians on an atheist forum; if I want to know what they think about something, I can turn on my TV or radio any time, day or night, or watch them panhandle in front of my grocery store. Nevertheless, I agree they can just be ignored. A guy named Bad Rabbit on the SHF actually joined a christian forum, and got in about 4 posts before they tossed him off. They were hilarious, but they didn’t move any discussion forward.
I’m sure if I went down to whereever Arowhena kneels before Jesus—Our Lady of I Got Raped by God and They Wouldn’t Even Let Me Get an Abortion Cathedral—or whatever, and waited until they all broke for snacks and wine at the front of the cathedral, and then I hopped up on the stage and said
arowhena - 03 October 2009 08:17 PM
Where are the brains of this operation? Where is the debate? [...] People love train-wrecks! [...] Let’s get this train on the tracks and get it moving!.
So, I say, “A priest, an Imam and preacher are walking down the street and reach a bar. The preacher says, ‘let’s go in here.’ The Imam says, ‘Why would I go in there, the serve alcohol?’ The priest says, ‘Why would I go in there? They don’t serve minors.’
“Father Larry had to leave early to get to Walmart. He heard boy’s pants were half off. I’ll be here all week! Tip your nun!”
If I was lucky, I’d get arrested. If I was not lucky, I’d end up in the basement with the priests introducing me to the Gospel of Tomás de Torquemada. Plus, I’d consider my conduct to be pretty rude. Unfortunately, the christians who haunt this forum don’t seem constrained by any normal sense of what is and what is not intrusive, and of course, DaveDave suffers from a severe narcissistic personality disorder and can’t help himself.
...With respect to christians infiltrating this forum, I wrote a very long and very intemperate screed some time ago on the Sam Harris Forum suggesting that there was no good reason to engage with christians on an atheist forum; if I want to know what they think about something, I can turn on my TV or radio any time, day or night, or watch them panhandle in front of my grocery store. Nevertheless, I agree they can just be ignored. A guy named Bad Rabbit on the SHF actually joined a christian forum, and got in about 4 posts before they tossed him off. They were hilarious, but they didn’t move any discussion forward.
I see your point.
I have been thinking about the original topic of this thread concerning comments that I and probably most of us would call preaching. I realize that their belief issues are insurmountable. In other discussions with beleivers in other venues, no matter how much logic I threw at them, they still hoped that an omnipotent being could somehow overcome these obvious gliches in logic. They were intolerant of my point of view.
Nevertheless it is my idea that on a web site which promotes reason and rational discourse, we would be tolerant of other points of view. I always thought that the point of skeptism is that its not a belief system or a position statement but a technique for evaluation information. That means that if a religous person presents empirical information to us about their beliefs, we evaluate and determine if it has any merit. If it does, we might incorporate it in our fund of knowlege, if it does not we reject it.
The difference between us and them (I hate to be so devisive) is that if they receive irrefutable information that there is no God they continue to believe… it doesn’t matter to them. But if someone were to present irrefutable empirical data that God existed, I might change my mind. Reasonable people are open to change (Thats Us). if we don’t allow believers to speak on our threads we are saying that we are not open to evaluating new information. I admit that they don’t really supply us with empirical data… it is mostly mindless sayings. But perhaps a believer may present more meaningful data in the future.
I also have to shamefully admit that there is an entertainment value to the presence of theists on this web site. I perversely enjoy watching some of you (non believer members of this forum) react to (arowhena for one) these people.
I look at ‘social networking’ as an exchange of ideas with like-minded people. In my opinion, that’s the whole point.
That may be the point of a social-networking site, but this isn’t a social networking site. This is a non-profit foundation. It is no more a social-networking site than the Sierra Club webpage is a social networking site. If you want social-networking, try Facebook. I understand they’re big on that there. If you want social-networking, why are you at the Reason Project’s webpage?
And what position of authority do you hold here, DaveDave?
If social-networking has no place in this forum, best remove the “entertainment: books, film, etc” thread and those like it. Wouldn’t want anyone getting the idea that we aren’t all business…
I think the whole point of the OP was that there’s a point where rational discussion with some theists (not all) has met its course and completely breaks down (ie, headbanging), the inevitable empasse ... like with the village iDDiot, Daveditto, which probably occurred around his fourth post. He’s been filling up pages and pages with nonsense and racking up numbers of posts to compensate for his intellectual impotence ever since. I’m surprised he hasn’t offered tutoring services to DI on the ‘Control’ Forum. Of course, it would only be a lesson in what doesn’t work but fake it as best you can ... and never admit anything. Teuchter’s ideal client.
