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IHOP—-I’ts Not Pancakes
Posted: 31 July 2009 10:06 AM   [ Ignore ]
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There’s a new spiritual movement taking place in Kansas City. It’s called IHOP, nope, not Pancakes, but Prayer. It’s lead by a guy named Mike Bickle and it’s purpose is to pray non-stop to hasten the return of Christ. Here’s an interesting article about the religion (referred to as a cult by many)

http://www.centredaily.com/living/v-print/story/1426406.html

It’ s quite lengthy, so I copied and pasted some of the most interesting parts:

So they’ve come here for the last 10 years, by the hundreds - thousands - for what perhaps is Kansas City’s biggest religious phenomenon in a century.

They’ve come to an old renovated strip mall on Red Bridge Road.

To answer the call of a leader named Mike Bickle, who says a purpose of their worship is to hasten the Second Coming.

But 24/7/365?

Read Luke 18:7.

“Will not God bring about justice for his elect who cry to him day and night?”

Bickle says he’s heard God’s voice. And that he’s been to heaven. Twice.

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His brand of Christianity relies heavily on the Book of Revelation and a sense of urgency that the Rapture is near.

When Jesus returns to make war against his enemies and marches into Jerusalem, Bickle preaches, “untold millions will die in the wake of his righteous, loving judgments.”

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People want to know: What in God’s name is going on in there?

So IHOP is a place of perpetual worship, with continuous two-hour sets of rock band praise music and prayer, which the Web site calls “heroically keeping the fire upon the altar.”

“Get 24/7 access to the prayer room for as little as $10 a month,” offers the Web site.

It also is a Bible school - IHOPU - at which students pay $1,500 a semester to earn two- and four-year certificates.

The Forerunner Ministry curriculum focuses on the End Times. The school is not accredited; meaning credits are not transferable to regular colleges.

But Tim Dodd, who came to IHOP from Colorado and earned a four-year certificate, has no regrets.

“It’s not about me. I was called by the Lord,” said Dodd, who wants to start a car-detailing business here.

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The center seeks to mold a million youngsters so they can lead the next generation.

Bickle has written extensively on fasting as a regular discipline of Christianity. Fasting two days a week comes just after daily prayer on the list of “forerunner” commitments on the Web site.

Earlier this year, Jackson County prosecutors charged a couple with second-degree murder after their 4-month-old son died of starvation. The couple, Nicholas and Rebecca Candler, maintained a blog that promoted their religious beliefs and their involvement in IHOP.

IHOP’s first comment on the case came last week, when Cooper said: “The Candlers were never on staff at IHOP-KC, although they did attend the Introduction to IHOP-KC class.” That was the only connection, he said.

And the IHOP Web site is clear that children should never fast.

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Troyer said she has heard the “cult” talk.

“My parents supported me coming here. They thought it was great and have come to visit. They helped me buy a house here.”

She paused and looked away.

“Some parents didn’t want their kids to come ... thought the place was weird, like Jonestown or something.

“It’s nothing like that. I know this is where I’m supposed to be. I think maybe 0.5 percent of Christians are called to this. And God called me.”

Her world, Troyer says, is the real world. She doesn’t live in a vacuum. She knows all about child soldiers in Third World countries, modern slavery and human trafficking.

“That is why I pray.”

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About that time, a pickup pulling a large stock trailer roared up the street. It was a family from Minnesota. Husband, wife, two young boys.

They were moving here to be part of IHOP.

When the truck backed up the trailer to the house, neighbors - other IHOP families - helped the family unload. They all hugged.

Standing in his new yard, Steve Iliff said it was a big decision to pack up the family and move. But seeing the welcome they received, he had no doubts that he had done the right thing.

“There’s so much prayer here ... good things are bound to happen.”

A few blocks away in the prayer center, as always, arms reached to heaven.

Singers sang.

And the band played on.

Here’s a link to the groups website with video

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Posted: 31 July 2009 10:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Gotta love how even thought he rapture may come any day, they still act as thought it isn’t. (ei. getting jobs, collecting money) Sometimes I really envy people that are willing to be that full of shit. While I’d like to make that kind of money, I just can’t be that full of it all the time.

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Posted: 31 July 2009 01:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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rab - 31 July 2009 10:06 AM

It’s lead by a guy named Mike Bickle and it’s purpose is to pray non-stop to hasten the return of Christ.

I knew his brother Travis.  Good family, instilled with a strong sense of community service.

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Posted: 02 August 2009 03:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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When Jesus returns to make war against his enemies and marches into Jerusalem, Bickle preaches, “untold millions will die in the wake of his righteous, loving judgments.”

Because nothing says “I love you” like good ol’ fashioned genocide.

BTW, I have to wonder: why a strip mall, of all places? Do they really, honestly believe that, should their messiah ever return, that he’d want to show up in proximity to a Starbucks, McDonald’s, and a dollar store? I mean, if you’re going to pray, pray in nature so that, if it happens, he’s surrounded by the beauty of creation and not, you know, a concrete wasteland.

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Posted: 02 August 2009 05:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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They need a wall to stick their handwritten notes in.  Oh wait, that’s already been done.

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Posted: 02 August 2009 08:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Quanta - 02 August 2009 03:45 AM

When Jesus returns to make war against his enemies and marches into Jerusalem, Bickle preaches, “untold millions will die in the wake of his righteous, loving judgments.”

Because nothing says “I love you” like good ol’ fashioned genocide.

BTW, I have to wonder: why a strip mall, of all places? Do they really, honestly believe that, should their messiah ever return, that he’d want to show up in proximity to a Starbucks, McDonald’s, and a dollar store? I mean, if you’re going to pray, pray in nature so that, if it happens, he’s surrounded by the beauty of creation and not, you know, a concrete wasteland.

It’s another way of attracting young people. There are places for electric equipment for live music, films, and videos.

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Posted: 03 August 2009 04:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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When Jesus returns to make war against his enemies and marches into Jerusalem…

They’ll all be in Kansas.

Or hey, maybe Jesus will show up here.

A kabob before dying.

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Posted: 03 August 2009 05:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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mpbrockman - 03 August 2009 04:47 PM

When Jesus returns to make war against his enemies and marches into Jerusalem…

They’ll all be in Kansas.

Or hey, maybe Jesus will show up here.

A kabob before dying.

LOL Oh, THAT Jerusalem. Are pancakes kosher? IHOP indeed.

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Posted: 03 August 2009 10:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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rab - 03 August 2009 05:55 PM
mpbrockman - 03 August 2009 04:47 PM

When Jesus returns to make war against his enemies and marches into Jerusalem…

They’ll all be in Kansas.

Or hey, maybe Jesus will show up here.

A kabob before dying.

LOL Oh, THAT Jerusalem. Are pancakes kosher? IHOP indeed.

Yes, I believe most of them are (depending on what you put on them - bacon is right out). Isn’t a latke a sort of cottage cheese pancake anyway?

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Posted: 07 August 2009 04:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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rab - 03 August 2009 05:55 PM

Are pancakes kosher?

(Andrew):  Only latkes.

Taxi fans?  Now you know.

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Posted: 09 August 2009 02:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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http://www.kosher.com/store/kosher-frozen-grocery/frozen-breakfast-foods/pancakes-waffles-and-french-toast

Aunt Jemima and Eggo - who knew?

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Posted: 13 August 2009 03:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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mpbrockman - 09 August 2009 02:08 AM

http://www.kosher.com/store/kosher-frozen-grocery/frozen-breakfast-foods/pancakes-waffles-and-french-toast

Aunt Jemima and Eggo - who knew?

Don’t forget Kashi in there… hmmm is it kosher to pay kashi for aunt Jemima’s Eggos?

Kosher Kashi does have a nice ring to it though.

As does the bloody Bickles.

I wonder, does Mike Bickle ever say: “You lookin’ at me, Jesus? You lookin’ at me?”

rab, you are the master at finding the kook-crooks. Kudos.

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Posted: 27 November 2009 05:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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More on IHOP.

The cult will be hosting a four day event focusing on praying to rid the planet of abortion and gay marriage. They also had to cancel classes because the holy spirit was on a roll.

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Posted: 30 November 2009 10:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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rab - 27 November 2009 05:33 PM

More on IHOP.

The cult will be hosting a four day event focusing on praying to rid the planet of abortion and gay marriage. They also had to cancel classes because the holy spirit was on a roll.

A fifteen hour roll… that’s a long time to roll. I wonder…  if they really believe they’re going to be raptured, why are they bothering with trying to “rid” the planet of anything?

This Bickle and Engle said that they “seek to mold a million children for the next generation.”  How concerned should those of us outside of their cult bubble be about these men on the verge of a religiostupotic breakdown and their molded followers?

The sole purpose of the cult is to work together to “hasten the second coming” / “end times.” 

Hasten? It’s one thing to be prepared, but to be asked to “hasten” it? Someone’s going to do something that gets them selves arrested.

Bickle warns of “untold millions [dying] in the wake of his righteous, loving judgments.” Nothing matters except a violent end and Jesus’ return. I still have not been able to figure out why a collection of individuals buy into this narrative, or why they decide to follow a man who hears voices and thinks he’s been to a place called heaven. “Twice.” 

I think it’s time for our society to bring back the Sanitoriums of yore. There’s two insane men on the streets and we are pretty much relegated to watch the freak show unfold.

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Posted: 30 November 2009 11:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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rab - 27 November 2009 05:33 PM

More on IHOP.

The cult will be hosting a four day event focusing on praying to rid the planet of abortion and gay marriage. They also had to cancel classes because the holy spirit was on a roll.

We canceled our classes for the next week so that each one of our 1,000 students and interns could receive from the Spirit in an extended way.

(Andrew):  Does that make any sense?  To anyone?

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Posted: 30 November 2009 12:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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None of it makes sense. And Engle and Hickle (or whatever his name is) could be part of that movement that doesn’t believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. But if they speak of hastening the end times, they probably believe we are already in the tribulation. But if they… hmmm

You’re right Andrew. None of it makes sense.

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