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Does Mormonism qualify as a cult?
Posted: 03 September 2009 07:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 46 ]
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isocratic infidel - 03 September 2009 12:05 PM

Gee wiz euc, if you’re really thirsty for a Dr. Pepper…..

Always isocrat, always up for a Dr. Pepper! The very best picker upper! grin

isocratic infidel - 03 September 2009 12:05 PM

Do bring a BOM though, we could do something like this:

Yikes! Are you sure a spike will do? Are we not supposed to shoot it with a silver bullet?

isocratic infidel - 03 September 2009 12:05 PM

And speaking of fungi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuKjBIBBAL8

Double Yikes!
I admit there were times I thought perhaps the effect was just the fungi’s way of communicating, wink
Maybe I was more correct than I thought….it appears that I may have passed through the looking glass without quite realizing it. Luckily, my fellows haven’t carted me off yet so I wouldn’t infect the nest. Little do they know….they got my brother but they’ll never get me…..hee, hee… cool grin

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Posted: 09 September 2009 11:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 47 ]
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confused

The way it is :  The Mormons will never, never say their faith is a cult.  We will never be able to change their minds.


The non-Mormons will never think of Mormonism as anything BUT a cult, and not a legitimate Christian religion. Never, ever.

SO…my point is WHAT IS THE USE IN ARGUING ABOUT IT ? Honestly, it’s a waste of time and effort. It’s a vicious circle. 


Now..talk about Joseph Smith is not bad.. what to say to a young person considering joining the LDS ? He/she wants to know about the real Joe.

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Posted: 10 September 2009 04:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 48 ]
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My family joined the mormon church when I was around 11 or 12. I went to church for a few years, went through all the rituals. They almost had me. Then when I was 14 (1981) I found a little thing called punk rock, and the mormons never had a chance after that. Haha! I have to hand it to them, though. They tried so hard. They would tell my mother to tell me that I could bring my punk records to sunday school and “we could all listen to them together.” Imagine that!

Anyway, they still come knocking on my door now and then. When I open the door and see two guys in white button-down shirts, I just shut the door on them immediately. I didn’t know about the “trial” business - that actually sounds like a bit fun to me.

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Posted: 11 September 2009 04:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 49 ]
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As far as I’m concerned, all relgions are cults:

Cult
–noun
1.    a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2.    an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3.    the object of such devotion.
4.    a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5.    Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6.    a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader. (I consider them all to be false, unorthodox and extremist)
7.    the members of such a religion or sect.
8.    any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.

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Posted: 25 May 2010 12:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 50 ]
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Hi, I was raised mormon and was fully enveloped in magical thinking until I was about 27, 4 years ago.  The process was alot more gradual than I can detail in this post, but here is a list of attributes of a cult by Hassan that you can use.  Anyone familiar with Mormonism or with their missionary program will definitely see that they are a cult and that all religions are cults to some degree.  For those that come from a normal background, it can be hard to imagine what these cults are like.  Here is link that evaluates mormonism using the list below.

http://rationalrevelation.com/library/bite.html


Here is the list:
Steven Hassan

In *Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves* , cult counselor Steven Hassan describes his “BITE model”, stating that it is not necessary for every item to be present:

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Behavior Control
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* Regulation of individual’s physical reality
* “Where, how, and with whom the member lives and associates, what clothes, colors, hairstyles the person wears, what food the person eats, drinks, adopts, and rejects, how much sleep the person is able to have, financial dependence, little or no time spent on leisure, entertainment, vacations.”
* Major time commitment required for indoctrination sessions and group rituals
* Need to ask permission for major decisions
* Need to report thoughts, feelings, and activities to superiors
* Rewards and punishments (behavior modification techniques—positive and negative)
* Individualism discouraged; “group think” prevails
* Rigid rules and regulations
* Need for obedience and dependency

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Information Control
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* Use of deception
* Deliberately holding back information, distorting information to make it more “acceptable,” “outright lying.”
* Access to non-cult sources of information minimized or discouraged
* Media (books, articles, newspapers, magazines, TV, radio), critical information, former members, keep members so busy they don’t have time to think and check things out.
* Compartmentalization of information; Outsider vs. Insider doctrines
* “Information is not freely accessible, information varies at different levels and missions within pyramid, leadership decides who “needs to know” what and when.”
* Spying on other members is encouraged
* “Pairing up with “buddy” system to monitor and control, reporting deviant thoughts, feelings, and actions to leadership, individual behavior monitored by whole group.”
* Extensive use of cult generated information and propaganda
* “Media (newsletters, magazines, journals, audio tapes, videotapes, etc), misquotations, statements taken out of context from non-cult sources.”
* Unethical use of confession
* “Information about “sins” used to abolish identity boundaries, past “sins” used to manipulate and control (no forgiveness or absolution).”

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Thought Control
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* Need to internalize the group’s doctrine as “Truth”
* “Adopting the group’s map of reality as “Reality” (Map = Reality), Black and White thinking, Good vs. Evil, Us vs. Them (inside vs. outside).”
* Use of “loaded” language (for example, “thought-terminating cliches”). Words are the tools we use to think with. These “special” words constrict rather than expand understanding, and can even stop thoughts altogether. They function to reduce complexities of experience into trite, platitudinous “buzz words.”
* Only “good” and “proper” thoughts are encouraged.
* Use of hypnotic techniques to induce altered mental states
* Manipulation of memories and implantation of false memories
* Use of thought-stopping techniques, which shut down “reality testing” by stopping “negative” thoughts and allowing only “good” thoughts
* Rejection of rational analysis, critical thinking, constructive criticism. No critical questions about leader, doctrine, or policy seen as legitimate
* No alternative belief systems viewed as legitimate, good, or useful

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Emotional Control
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* Manipulate and narrow the range of a person’s feelings.
* Make the person feel that any problems are always their fault, never the leader’s or the group’s.
* Excessive use of guilt: identity guilt (who you are, not living up to your potential, your family, your past, your affiliations, your thoughts, feelings, actions), social guilt, historical guilt.
* Excessive use of fear: fear of thinking independently, fear of the “outside” world, fear of enemies, fear of losing one’s “salvation”, fear of leaving the group or being shunned by group, fear of disapproval.
* Extremes of emotional highs and lows.
* Ritual and often public confession of “sins”.
* Phobia indoctrination: inculcating irrational fears about ever leaving the group or even questioning the leader’s authority. The person under mind control cannot visualize a positive, fulfilled future without being in the group.

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Posted: 29 May 2010 06:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 51 ]
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critoe - 25 May 2010 12:08 PM

Hi, I was raised mormon and was fully enveloped in magical thinking until I was about 27, 4 years ago.  The process was alot more gradual than I can detail in this post, but here is a list of attributes of a cult by Hassan that you can use.  Anyone familiar with Mormonism or with their missionary program will definitely see that they are a cult and that all religions are cults to some degree.  For those that come from a normal background, it can be hard to imagine what these cults are like.  Here is link that evaluates mormonism using the list below.

Even as an atheist I didn’t like labeling Mormonism as a cult because Mormons seem to love it when that happens.  They jump at that label and use it as an excuse to explain why it “isn’t” a cult, to present their doctrine, and try to convert you.

But over time I’ve realized that critoe (and others) are quite right.  Under most definitions of “cult” it fits too well to not call it a cult.

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