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Top Myths About Atheism & Atheists: Answers, Refutations, Responses

Austin Cline
Posted: September 3, 2009.

Print: About.com

- Atheism is a Denial of God That Requires Faith:

The most common misunderstanding about atheism is the definition. Many insist that atheism is really the denial of the existence of God, but there are two errors here. First, it pretends that atheism is exclusively about their god, the god common to Christians, Jews, and Muslims. Second, it focuses on a narrow sub-set of atheism and atheists to the exclusion of all others. Standard dictionary definitions list “denial of God or gods” second; first comes “disbelief in god or Gods.” Disbelief is not the same as denial, it’s either the absence of belief or the presence of skepticism.

- Atheists Choose to Disbelieve in God:

I frequently hear the claim that atheists choose atheism, usually for some morally blameworthy reason like a desire to avoid taking responsibility for their sins. My response is basically the same every time: You may not believe me, but I didn’t choose any such thing, and I can’t just ‘choose’ to start believing. Maybe you can, but I can’t. I do not believe in any gods. Evidence would make me believe in some god, but all the playacting in the world isn’t going to change that. It’s arguable, in fact, that no beliefs are choices that people can simply change their minds about.

- What is a “Real” Atheist? How Do “Real” Atheists Behave?:

One effective means for critiquing a belief system and/or its adherents is to point out significant contradictions between how believers behave and the ideals they espouse. These contradictions can suggest that they don’t really believe what they say, that the ideals aren’t taken seriously, that the system teaches worse things, etc. Atheists do this with religion frequently, but can religious theists do it with atheism? They try by presuming to say how “real” atheists would or would not behave. These arguments fail because atheism isn’t a philosophy that compels any particular behavior.

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“To remedy this i think you need to firm up your footings a little and provide a little information outside of the request for respect of possibility. To provide information from your ‘external position’ that will allow an evaluation of that position.”

Well it would do little good or be of any value to firm up my footings as you stated. This has been my point all along the materialist as the religious have already made up their mind as to what is reality.

My point has been one must show interest and do their own reading and study. Even that can be futile. A preacher can study for 50 years and reach the same conclusion he or she reached the first year of study and research. Now the same does not always apply for an atheist. A significant emotional event can happen in their lives and cause some of them to seek outside their cherished beliefs.

I have a friend that when anything comes on TV that does not agree with his religions beliefs he in an instant flips the channel. I guarantee you if you asked him if he had an open mind he would state, “Yes of course”. That is the power of paradigms they are hidden from our view and they have a profound effect on our lives.

The Internet is full of such stories. This has been my position all along that atheism based in materialism can be as much of a religion in their self-confirmatory beliefs as a fundamentalist religious person.

If you will note on here with now over 100 posts many of those comments have been character assassinations or personal attacks. These personal attacks are living proof of how atheism is as much of a religion as religious fundamentalism. These attacks have proved my point much more than I ever could with my writings.

Both sides attack; as I was just told I had the mindset of a criminal from a person that claims he discovered the first scientific proof of God. That one was a new one for me. Now I may deserve all of those personal attacks, as my words are harsh and very threatening to those that hold cherished beliefs and who doesn’t hold cherished beliefs.

One of my beliefs Ben is that personal attacks are based in doubt not certainty. One who holds certainty has no need to attack. When the ego feels threatened with its beliefs it attacks and projects outward with an air of certainty.

posted on September 22, 2009
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Researcher,
“You’d do well to watch the QualiaSoup vidéo the this site posted today.
It targets you”

That video is very well done and has much to say. It will reach deaf ears as my comments have reached deaf ears. That has been my point all along. I have to say that video does a much better job than my writing comments.

Now it has some misinformation in that video (not much) due to I suspect the unawareness of the producer and I am not about to point that misinformation out. It would be pointless. But it is there and the only way to discover that misinformation is to find it for oneself. So far all I have read is everyone talking how great it is. Like attracts like whether religious or materialists or spiritualists or whatever.

“It targets you”. How we humans love to think we have the facts or truths and those that disagree with us are not rational beings. I once heard a person state everyone has a god and the atheist god is his or her intellect. Interesting thing to think about don’t you think?

Well over 100 now an interesting topic. Thanks for the dialog.

posted on September 22, 2009
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Researcher,

  Hi. Hope you are well. I tend to ignore attacks on either side as there is very little to gain in terms of understanding, attacks contain no relevant information.

  Of course it may well be right to call Hitler evil, a person who believes that all pigs fly at night silly or declare that a person that believes 2+2=83 on their calculator only when they look at it either has a faulty calculator or that something else is going on with them.

  I am a materialist, though i dont fit into your own brand of materialism. Sometimes there is a point to these overarching labels, but after a few minutes of initial descriptions a more in depth look is needed - of all these different ideas.

  I agree that your principle of paradigm shifts is important, though since each paradigm has its own merits i still think analysing and comparing they is equally important.

  If the realisations of paradigms and belief is a starting point in addressing different evidences and qualities of evidence as well as look at the differing neurological and psychological implications of belief on these then i agree with it.

  However if it is used as a type of defence to denigrate ideas to simple paradigms with all ideas being equal then i am against its use towards that purpose.

  I agree that some people are inevitably going to land on atheism as a belief rather than understanding it as an implication of the quality of ‘God type’ arguments of events/phenomena compared with natural ones (leaving the unknown as it is - unknown and not to be used as positive evidence of anything) as well as an understanding and realisation that philosophies are not evidenced sets of thought, but rather are thought trails able to go down any path with the appearance of quality. Philosophers have been able to make good arguments for almost any reality, we can cherry pick which ones we prefer.

  One thing that should be noted is that no knowledge is 100%, though this is inappropriately used as an excuse to be reckless and flirtatious with ideas by some groups, it should be a call to responsibility by everybody. Atheism and materialism do not rule out as much as you suggest they should do (though the evidence may not support many ideas). I can quite happily be an atheist and materialist and live in a world containing transfer of information through time, or affecting objects with thought - if it is happening i would just like to know how. This hope for understanding is my main paradigm. As for the main ideas of Gods, which i appreciate is not your main point, i am happy that i could disprove them to a high degree of certainty, though this does not disclude many others. I can come up with my own ideas and certainly some types of deism are compatible with my atheism. None of the possibilities of conjuring compatible God arguments or the possibility of unimagined compatible arguments makes me believe though. These are my atheism and materialism right now, they are not brick walls to possibilities, just what i think are evidenced right now. If we are not immortal right now, something i find highly likely, then at least we are working on it smile

posted on September 24, 2009
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